So this is what Hamas considers 'freedom fighting' ...

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

There's currently about 8,500 Jews living in Iran and between 25-35 synagogues.

Hamas has repeatedly and unequivocally stated that it is their goal to rid the whole of the region of all Jews and Christians.

How many Jews live in Islamic nations, lets have a look.

Afghanistan. 0.
Algeria. Less than 100.
Bahrain. 50.
Bangladesh. 4.
Dubai. Approx 1000.
Egypt. 3.
Indonesia. 100-550.
Iraq. 3.
Jordan. 0.
Kuwait. 0.
Myanmar. 20.
Pakistan. 200.
Qatar. 0.
Saudi Arabia. 3000.
Syria. 4.

It's worth noting that the vast majority of Jews living in Dubai and Saudi Arabia are non-Israeli citizens coming from USA/Canada/France/South Africa who are working there in professional positions.

Oh....1.7 million Muslims live legally in Israel and by law have equal rights as any other citizen.

Sort of puts it into perspective doesn't it.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
Before the state of Israel, and historically in the area of Palestine, Muslims, Christians and Jews lived peacefully.

BULLCRAP

I have often heard the propagandistic lie that “before Israel, Jews and Arabs were best friends – we had no problem with them!” That’s certainly a romantic idea. Unfortunately, it is simply not true.

So why had der Grossmufti von Jerusalem – Hajj “Amin” Al-Husseini – and his terrorist gangs been massacring Jews for three decades prior to that? It certainly wasn’t because of land theft. It sure wasn’t about “freedom fighting.” It was about hatred of the Jewish People.

Then what prompted the violence of the Nabi Musa pogrom in 1920? Oppression by Jews? Over what? The stated reason for the pogrom was because elderly Jews had the audacity to sit in folding chairs for religious services at the Kotel – the “Wailing Wall” – all that is remaining of OUR Temple, which antisemites try to pretend never existed, just as Jordan sought to hide the Dead Sea Scrolls from the world for this same reason.

What of the pogroms in Chevron and Tz’vat in 1929? Or the Chevron pogroms of 1834 or 1517 for that matter?

What of the so-called “Arab Revolts” where der Grossmufti von Jerusalem – a close personal buddy and pen-pal of Hitler, requested (and received) Nazi funding to attack Jewish refugees and thousands-of-years-old-villages? There was not one centimeter of Palestinian land stolen at that time and still, the man who Yasser Arafat claims is his “uncle” decided to align himself with Hitler and help the Reich recruit Bosnia Muslims for the Hanschar SS Division.

Palestinian pogroms before 1948

British Palestine 1917-1948 - Both Muslim and Jew Beat the Snot Out of Each Other

Crisis Phase (November 2, 1917-April 19, 1936): Jewish nationalists began a struggle for a Jewish state in Palestine following the issuance by the British government of the Balfour Declaration on November 2, 1917. In the document, the British government declared its support for the establishment of a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine. Palestinian Arabs rioted in Jerusalem in March 1920 (“Bloody Passover”), resulting in the deaths of five Palestinian Jews and four Palestinian Arabs. Representatives of seven Allied countries (Belgium, Britain, France, Greece, Italy, Japan), which were meeting in San Remo, Italy beginning on April 19, 1920, decided to provisionally grant Great Britain the mandate over Palestine. Palestinian Arabs, who were opposed to the principles contained in the Balfour Declaration, opposed the efforts of the British government beginning in April 1920. Six Palestinian Jews were killed in political violence in Jerusalem in April 1920. The Jewish Self-Defense Organization (Haganah) was established by Vladimir Jabotinsky on June 15, 1920. Some 47 Palestinian Jews and 48 Palestinian Arabs were killed in political violence in Jaffa, Jerusalem, and other cities between May 1 and November 2, 1921. The League of Nations (LON) formally adopted a British mandate for Palestine in July 1922, which incorporated the principles of the Balfour Declaration in the mandate. Arab nationalists opposed the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. Some 75,000 Jews emigrated to Palestine between 1922 and 1926. Muslims and Jews clashed in Jerusalem and other cities from August 16 to September 2, 1929, resulting in the deaths of some 250 individuals. The British government established a commission of inquiry, which investigated the situation in Palestine from October 24 to December 29, 1929. Jewish militants led by Avraham Tehomi established the National Military Organization (Irgun Zvai Le’umi – “Irgun”) in April 1931. Some 60,000 Jews emigrated to Palestine in 1935. Palestinian Arabs demanded that the British government halt Jewish emigration to Palestine, but the British government ignored the demand. Some 500 individuals were killed during the crisis.

And there is more ... so much more ... but I"m only allowed to quote just so much when posting.

Israel Palestine Before 1948

August 15, 1929 - Palestine Riots (also called the 1929 Massacres, Western Wall Riots, or the Buraq Uprising) start when a group of Jews march to the Western Wall, shouting “the Wall is ours” and singing Hatikvah. Rumors start swirling that they are attacking local Arabs.

August 16 — 20 1929- A young Sephardic Jew is stabbed to death (possibly unrelated to the tensions); his funeral becomes a huge anti-Arab demonstration.

August 23 1929 - Arabs converge on Jerusalem, spurred by rumors the Jews were going to try and claim the Western Wall. They start to attack Jews in the Old City, and violence begins to spread.

August 24 1929 - Hebron Massacre: as a result of hearing reports of Jews massacring Arabs, Arabs attack Hebron’s Jewish quarter, killing between 65 and 68 Jews. Over the course of the week of riots, 116 Arabs (possibly higher) and 133 Jews are killed.

1936 - Arab Revolt Stage 1: Palestinian Arabs revolt against British rule, demanding Arab independence and a cessation of Jewish immigration. Amin al-Husseini calls for a general strike, which lasts from April to October. As a result of the strike, Britain declares martial law and sends 20,000 troops into Palestine.

1937 - Peel Commission report published, recommending partition for the first time, separating Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state, with a British Mandate remaining over Nazareth, Bethlehem, and Jerusalem. The Arab Higher Committee denounces it immediately, fully opposes the idea of a Jewish state, and calls for a state of Palestine with protected rights for Jews and other minorities, a cessation of Jewish immigration, and land purchase.

1937 - Arab Revolt Stage 2: turned more violent, lasting for two years (until 1939). It becomes more a campaign of murder and sabotage against the British and the Jewish population in Palestine. In response, the Irgun starts attacking Palestinian civilians.

The Jewish population in Mandate Era Palestine was larger than all the Palestinian Druze, Sikhs, Bahais, Metawalis, and Samaritans – all combined. The land was historically Jewish and it was largely populated with Jews. Many Jews migrated there prior to the establishment of Israel, and after the establishment of Israel, because Muslims treated them so poorly in majority Muslim countries that they had to leave and had no where else to go other than British Palestine.

Islam is a violent, expansionary ideology that seeks the subjugation and destruction of other faiths, cultures, and systems of government. The Quran contains 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. It's violent. It's bloody. It's intolerant. It's NOT 'the religion of peace'.

Any thing is possible.

While I was in Iraq, Sunni and Sunni children went to school together, peacefully.

Let that sink in...


The Country was at war, prior to which these people killed each other.

But they found enough common ground that they could send their children to same school.

People have to set aside that which is personal, and find that common ground to stand together on.

Because if we don't, what does the future hold.

We as a people need to stop being divided by frivolous differences, we do it to our selves, for what end?

The common ground, is it for good of all or does is benefit just the few. That's what it's coming down to.

Lose the who and self important false virtue signaling.

Those who have real virtue, don't have to point it out like some passive flex.

Integrity is doing the right thing, especially when no one is looking.

Yet a majority does the wrong thing, in front of whole world.

Has none of these people have shame?

Ignore these attention whores, and drama queens.

They are just distractions from real world.

Don't follow the crowd down the road that is wide.

Seek the road less traveled which is narrow.

And since this is actually on the topic of the thread.
I'm repeating it to make sure it sinks in.

There are no innocent 'palestinians'. The hostages were dragged through the streets of Gaza where thousands of 'innocent palestinians' cheered and terrorized them. Even the children were subjected to this. The 'innnocent palestinians' are as guilty as Hamas. They voted Hamas in, they keep Hamas in power, they supply Hamas with what they need, they approve of what Hamas does ... AND THEY JOIN IN ON WHAT HAMAS DOES. They create the mess they are in now and they whine about it. Screw them all.

Interview with Former Hostage

....he was confronted by a sight he will never forget: his neighbors' three-year-old daughter shaking with fear and drenched in blood....'It wasn't her blood, it was her parents' blood,' Hagar explains in her first sit-down interview. 'She saw how terrorists, dressed in military uniforms, killed her mother.

When they arrived in Gaza, thousands of Palestinians were lining the streets, cheering and dancing, and all were desperate to get a glimpse of the hostages.

'The terrorists opened the car doors and pulled my hair [to show me off] to the thousands of people in the streets,' says Hagar. 'Then they grabbed my daughter by her shirt and showed her off to the crowd. They were boasting that they had stolen a little Israeli girl. All the people were cheering.'

'Every day we got less and less food. We were starving. The kids were starving. They were fighting with each other for crumbs and scraps on the floor. I would give them most of my food and eat a little bit just to survive.

Thousands of people lined the route, eager to catch sight of the soon-to-be-released captives.

Hagar, the children, and all the other hostages were then made to walk to the Red Cross car parked 50 metres away.

'You think 50 metres is a short distance. It isn't,' she says. 'It is a really long distance when you have to walk 50 metres past a screaming, cheering crowd that is jumping at you and trying to grab you. It was completely terrifying.

'And the entire time we were driving through the streets of Gaza, people in the streets were shouting at us and jumping on the car.'

a reply to: Freeborn

You were the one asking yourself this question.

Can't see something similar happening in some new Islamic nation, can you?

I put the "extreme" case of Iran. It sounds like you found the answer elsewhere.

a reply to: Freeborn

1.7 million Muslims live legally in Israel and by law have equal rights as any other citizen.

1. Do those Muslims who "live legally" in Israel have Israeli citizenship or can they somehow obtain it?

2. (All) Do Muslims who do not have citizenship in Israel enjoy the same rights as Israeli citizens?

Sort of puts it into perspective doesn't it.

Yes, answering the 2 questions above puts it into perspective.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
You don't need to repeat it to ensure your lack of humanity, empathy and integrity, we see it post after post.

Says the antisemite who only shows up to spew word vomit on Jews in threads about Israel. Says the propagandist who falsely claimed that everyone got along just fine in the Middle East until Israel was created. That was easily debunked. Talk about a lack of integrity. Go look in the mirror.

THIS is a 'lack of humanity, empathy and integrity' .... thousands of 'innocent palestinians' jeering the hostages as they were paraded around Gaza.

Interview with Former Hostage

....he was confronted by a sight he will never forget: his neighbors' three-year-old daughter shaking with fear and drenched in blood....'It wasn't her blood, it was her parents' blood,' Hagar explains in her first sit-down interview. 'She saw how terrorists, dressed in military uniforms, killed her mother.

When they arrived in Gaza, thousands of Palestinians were lining the streets, cheering and dancing, and all were desperate to get a glimpse of the hostages.

'The terrorists opened the car doors and pulled my hair [to show me off] to the thousands of people in the streets,' says Hagar. 'Then they grabbed my daughter by her shirt and showed her off to the crowd. They were boasting that they had stolen a little Israeli girl. All the people were cheering.'

'Every day we got less and less food. We were starving. The kids were starving. They were fighting with each other for crumbs and scraps on the floor. I would give them most of my food and eat a little bit just to survive.

Thousands of people lined the route, eager to catch sight of the soon-to-be-released captives.

Hagar, the children, and all the other hostages were then made to walk to the Red Cross car parked 50 metres away.

'You think 50 metres is a short distance. It isn't,' she says. 'It is a really long distance when you have to walk 50 metres past a screaming, cheering crowd that is jumping at you and trying to grab you. It was completely terrifying.

'And the entire time we were driving through the streets of Gaza, people in the streets were shouting at us and jumping on the car.'

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
I reject the racism, supremacy, ethnic cleansing and colonialism of the Zionist and colonizier state of Israel.

If that's what you really reject, then you should be rejecting all of Islam because that's exactly how Islam spread .. colonizing and mass murdering and raping and forced conversions and ethnic cleansing. But that's not what you are really against, is it? In one of your deflection attempts, you called all Jews pedophiles. No matter what you tell yourself to feel better and to pretend otherwise, that crap is antisemitism.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
So spare yourself the propaganda mumbo-jumbo, because here, you are the queen of it.

Says the propagandist who tried to claim that everyone got along great in the middle east until Israel was created. You got blown out of the water on that. Debunked again. AS USUAL. Don't you get tired of being proven wrong? Wanna' issue a retraction of your anti-Jew propaganda now? You should be so embarrassed.

Not a word out of you on the actual topic of the thread. Just deflection with anti-Jew nonsense. How about the information presented by the former hostage about how there were thousands of 'palestinians' lining the streets cheering and jeering her and her children when they were taken hostage? How the 'innocent palestinians' ALL were in on it and they ALL were celebrating the massacre, rapes, and hostage taking, not just Hamas? Nevermind .. you'll just say it didn't happen and try to deflect to off topic drivel.

History of Jews under Muslim Rule

In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjamin wrote of Persian Jews:

"…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Persians intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered."[27]

AntiSemitism in the Muslim World

Sayyid Qutb, member of the Muslim Brotherhood and one of the movement’s most influential thinkers, wrote a widely disseminated pamphlet entitled “Our Struggle with the Jews,” in which he drew parallels between contemporary developments and Mohammed’s struggle with the Jews. “The Jews also conspired against Islam by inciting its enemies against it throughout the world … Jews as Jews were by nature determined to fight Allah’s Truth and sow corruption and confusion. Judaism was by nature defective and corrupted Truth; while true Muslims and true Islam were by nature the mirror opposites of Jews and Judaism,” he wrote. (Translation by Ronald Nettler)

Qutb also saw the return of Jews to Palestine as an evil that demanded punishment. “Let Allah bring down upon the Jews people who will mete out to them the worst kind of punishment, as a confirmation of His unequivocal promise: ‘If you return, then We return,’” he wrote. Qutb’s writings inspired Islamists around the world, from Jamaat-e-Islami in south Asia to Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini. The Muslim Brotherhood is a global network today, still disseminating such ideas. One of their main spiritual leaders today, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, is a preacher on Al Jazeera and heads the European Council for Fatwa and Research. He believes that Hitler was sent as a devine punishment for the Jews and advocates for another Holocaust. In 2009, he stated that, “God willing, the next time this punishment will be inflicted by the hand of the Faithful,” by which he means Muslims. Radical jihadist groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS have embraced similar ideas.

After World War II, Nazism was not as delegitimized in the Muslim world as it was in Europe. Prominent Nazis, such as Ludwig Heiden (alias Louis al-Hajj) and Johann von Leers (alias Omar Amin) continued their propaganda activities in Arab countries after the war. Alois Brunner, an SS officer who served as Adolf Eichmann’s assistant, advised the Syrian regime on torture. In 1953, Anwar el-Sadat, who would later become the Egyptian president, wrote a tribute to Hitler. Even today, Hitler remains a popular figure and “Mein Kampf” a bestseller in Turkey and other countries.

Islam is a violent, expansionary ideology that seeks the subjugation and destruction of other faiths, cultures, and systems of government. The Quran contains 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. It's violent. It's bloody. It's intolerant. It's NOT 'the religion of peace'.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
The fascist..

LMAO. "colonizer'. "ethnic cleansing". 'Zionist'. "Fascist". "apartheid". I'm educated and enlightened and you aren't, and Israel sucks and Muslims are peaceful doves, eh? All the indoctrinated-by-woke-teachers-in-a-liberal-arts-college-buzz-words. Poor kid. You really have it bad. Good luck with that.

Hamas uses schools and hospitals and civilian ambulances to conduct their terrorism out of. Then they whine when those same schools and hospitals and ambulances are fired upon by IDF fighting them. The use of ambulances by Hamas is against international law. So is the use by them of hospitals and schools.


Released Hostage Reveals Hamas Moves Hostages Across Gaza in Ambulances

Former hostage Hagar Brodutch has revealed harrowing details of her abduction and captivity by Hamas terrorists in Gaza, including the transportation of hostages in ambulances across the territory. Brodutch, along with her three children and a three-year-old neighbor, were held captive for 51 days before being released.

According to Brodutch, they were transported to a new location in Gaza wrapped in white sheets inside an ambulance. During the journey, they witnessed the destruction of their village and the celebration of their capture by thousands of Gazans. The terrorists showcased Brodutch and her daughter to the cheering crowd, boasting of their abduction of an Israeli girl.

“Hamas’s barbaric act of parading us through the streets like trophies will forever haunt me,” Brodutch stated.

Held in dire conditions, Brodutch and her children endured starvation, confinement in dark and unsanitary rooms, and constant fear of airstrikes.

“The cheers of the crowd as we passed through the streets were chilling. It felt like we were being paraded as prizes in a sick game,” Brodutch recalled.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
a reply to: FlyersFan

I'm repeating it to make sure it sinks in.

There are no innocent 'palestinians' .

You don't need to repeat it to ensure your lack of humanity, empathy and integrity, we see it post after post.

Yes, we already know that for you, even the daisies of Gaza are not innocent and deserve to be cut.

So much for the genocidal intent. Happy Easter, MF's!



And I thought simple peasants like us already turned antisemite the moment we refused to take our Covid measures? Figures!
Who knew state violence was a semite? Learning something new with the Flyers Fans every day!

Israeli Nurse Taken Hostage on Oct 7 Tells Her Story
She says she was taken hostage by 'Palestinian' CIVILIANS and sold to Hamas.
As I said, the 'palestinians' are not innocent. They are all in on it.
STORY HERE

a reply to: FlyersFan

As I said, the 'palestinians' are not innocent. They are all in on it.

All it took to justify collective punishment was a few gangs and affiliated militia groups in plain clothes?

I'd ask if you are for real if it wasn't abundantly clear already. Amazing!

a reply to: TheWoker

"Civilian" palestinians took part in the Oct 7 mass murder, mass rape and mass kidnapping. They paraded the kidnapped Israelis through the streets of Gaza with thousands of "civilians" cheering and abusing the kidnap victims. When a kidnap victim escaped, the 'civilians' hunted him down and returned him to Hamas. The 'civilians' put Hamas in charge, support them, help them, work with them and approve of them. There are no innocent 'civilian' palestinians.

Hamas Defector Yousef, the son of Hamas co-founder Sheikh Hassan Yousef, Tells Pro Palestinian Activists They Belong in a Mental Asylum

"It's very disappointing to see Americans supporting Hamas and thinking that Hamas is a cool thing, while Hamas does not respect any of those followers, while those followers don't know that Hamas would torture them and massacre them with no mercy. They call them useful idiots. They don't know that Hamas is a dark black hole," Yousef said on an April 2 episode of "Dr. Phil Primetime."

"[Pro-Palestinians are] absolutely idiots because they don't know what they are supporting. They are supporting a monster that has been hijacking an entire society and endangering the entire Middle East, pushing the world towards a global war. … What's happening is insanity. Those pro-Palestine people need to go to a mental asylum."

"In fact, since Oct. 7, I personally don't differentiate between Hamas and the so-called Palestinians because, actually, there is no Palestinians, there are tribes. There is a tribe of Hamas, and there is the tribe of the Islamic Jihad … and each one has different interests, and all of them are conflicted," he said. "If they did not have Israel as the common enemy, they would kill each other. This is the reality."

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Israeli Nurse Taken Hostage on Oct 7 Tells Her Story
She says she was taken hostage by 'Palestinian' CIVILIANS and sold to Hamas.
As I said, the 'palestinians' are not innocent. They are all in on it.
STORY HERE

I can’t even tell the difference between Hamas and “innocent civilians” while they were attacking on the 7th.

What are we to expect from the IDF?

Palestinian "CIVILIANS" filmed themselves participating in the October 7 massacre.

t.me...

So-called "innocent" Palestinian civilians involved in the Hamas October 7th massacre.

The truth must be told.

t.me...

a reply to: TheWoker

Palestinian children at play.

t.me...

a reply to: NorthOS

Bombs away, it's for the kids after all!

*giggles*

Whatever makes it feel right, dude. Right?

a reply to: TheWoker

No, dude, just calling out your bull sh!t.

Multiple huge armed rapist/murderers kidnapping the terrified young lady.
This is 'freedom fighting' eh?
Watch at the link.
Terrifying Footage Newly Released Showing Moment Israeli Was Taken Hostage on October 7th