Fake Electors? Looks like there was nothing wrong with that in 2000...or 2016

The Chad election. If you are old enough to remember you know that Florida was the deciding factor on Georgie or ManBearPig for POTUS. It was a case that went all the way to the SCOTUS before the election was certified. Something not seen in 2020...Also remember who the governor was in 2000. His brother Jeb Bush. A POTUS election was left up to a State Legislature. Hmmm.....

So, when they talk about this fake elector plot and all this other garbage about no challenges I really have to laugh, because again, it is ONLY Donald Trump who cannot defend himself because he is and never was and never will be establishment. Peaceful transitions of power my ass.

Here is the way back machine.....

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The U.S. Constitution and federal laws give state legislatures the authority to figure out how to pick electors, scholars said. But neither federal nor Florida laws specify the legal standards the legislature should follow in deciding whether Gore or Bush should get the electoral votes, scholars agreed

The GOP themselves did it in 2016. Lobbying the electorate to change their vote and they almost got it done.

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A handful of Democrats and even a few Republican electors have embarked on an unusual effort to deny Trump the victory — or at the very least, raise the specter of changing the election.

Electors in three states have gone to court seeking the chance to vote their mind; another resigned to avoid the vote altogether. One Republican elector in Texas has publicly said he will not vote for Trump, although his state voted overwhelmingly for the GOP candidate.

2016 had a ton of faithless electors....but it was Trump and he team in 2020 who were tying to circumvent the laws....BS.

a reply to: matafuchs

It's what commies do. Do something than screems about it when someone else does it.

a reply to: matafuchs


The fact you think the Trump family is not and has never been part of the establishment if funny as hell.
You really should look into his uncle. May change how you see his family and their interests and what they will do to use the established and those in power to gain for their family.
And also what you are bringing up are two completely different situations.

a reply to: Allaroundya4k

Tesla? Ring a bell? Anything else? That they grew up speaking German? There exploits out West? I read a lot about a lot of different things. Donald Trump is not DC establishment at all.

No, they are not 2 different situations but if you think they are....explain yourself. I did.

While you are at it, if you think there is no establishment look who the electors for NY are....hmmm.....

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Hillary Clinton
BIll Clinton
Andrew Cuomo
Letita James

Now how can a AG leading an unprecedented case against a candidate be ok? I know she was voted in but that is not my point. How is that ok?

a reply to: matafuchs

The difference between 2020 and those other examples is that Trump's fake electors did not lobby the states' legislatures to change the vote. They met in secret and signed a counterfeit certificate of ascertainment CLAIMING they were duly elected by the legislatures to represent Trump in the electoral college. But that was bullsh#. The legislatures had voted for Biden electors. The fake electors did not make their case THROUGH the states' legislatures as the Constitution would have it, they tried to do an end run AROUND the legislatures.

originally posted by: Allaroundya4k
a reply to: matafuchs


The fact you think the Trump family is not and has never been part of the establishment if funny as hell.
You really should look into his uncle. May change how you see his family and their interests and what they will do to use the established and those in power to gain for their family.
And also what you are bringing up are two completely different situations.

Was this Uncle John???

a reply to: Boomer1947

Were they signed by their respective executives.....?

a reply to: tarantulabite1

Yes good ol John.

That is very nice article about his accomplishments, and those are by far some of the best one can achieve. Yet it leaves out how he had no problem stealing ideas from dead persons using the government as the authority to do so.
Freaking weak and says much about how little that family cares about others. Especially us little folks. And Trump the 45th has been working with establishment individuals since he began his career. They have rubbed elbows since his beginning.
Just because someone tells you they are targeted because they are an outsider doesn't make it true. That was just PR and people fell and still do fall for it.

a reply to: Boomer1947

Wait...so since they met and did not contact anyone they are guilty. HOLY BAT BALLS this is the best yet.

You actively had GOP members lobbying elected officials to change their minds about who to cast the vote for. Almost 80 people. THAT is an insurrection, or, actually, a coup. (want to know why it did not happen? Because no one would have the total votes and the House, Republican controlled, would have picked the POTUS)

Coup - a sudden and decisive change of government illegally or by force.

They attemped a coup in 2000. You are right....it is not the same as 2020....

a reply to: Allaroundya4k

Trump the 45th has been working with establishment individuals since he began his career

Can you name one law or action that is in any way tied to Trump and any contribution he made to a candidate to make sure it happened?

a reply to: JinMI

What does that matter if it was signed by an executive? Here is the Michigan law:

Sec. 42. In the year in which presidential electors are to be elected under section 43, each political party in this state shall choose at its fall state convention a number of candidates for electors of president and vice-president of the United States equal to the number of senators and representatives in congress that this state is entitled to elect. The chairperson and the secretary of the state central committee of each political party shall, within 1 business day after the conclusion of the state convention, forward by registered or certified mail a certificate containing the names of the candidates for electors to the secretary of state. The candidates for electors of president and vice-president who shall be considered elected are those whose names have been certified to the secretary of state by that political party receiving the greatest number of votes for those offices at the next November election.

As soon as practicable after the state board of canvassers has, by the official canvass, ascertained the result of an election as to electors of president and vice-president of the United States, the governor shall certify, under the seal of the state, to the United States secretary of state, the names and addresses of the electors of this state chosen as electors of president and vice-president of the United States.

Michigan Election Law pdf

Meshawn is claiming she was duly elected, however none of the others has made any such claim.

I'm surprised you think they can change who is a duly elected elector in the middle of the night at the GOP HQ. And just keep calling random people until one accepts as there was one or more who said heck no when they heard this crazy plan.

a reply to: frogs453

Good, read it again.

Duly elected is no where in your provided document also this excerpt here:

The chairperson and the secretary of the state central committee of each political party shall, within 1 business day after the conclusion of the state convention, forward by registered or certified mail a certificate containing the names of the candidates for electors to the secretary of state.

a reply to: frogs453

Florida 2000. 85 electors in 2016. It has happened and always for the establishment.

a reply to: JinMI

The word duly is not there. Duly means properly or appropriately. Therefore this whole process applies. And is noted above and here again:

As soon as practicable after the state board of canvassers has, by the official canvass, ascertained the result of an election as to electors of president and vice-president of the United States, the governor shall certify, under the seal of the state, to the United States secretary of state, the names and addresses of the electors of this state chosen as electors of president and vice-president of the United States.

Official canvass, Governor,certified, names and addresses,here you have your duly elected electors.

a reply to: matafuchs

How many politicians and those with political influence did he rub elbows with?
This is really kindergarten crap. If you truly think he had no dealings then why was he buddy buddy?
The right everytime the opportunity arises will couple people together in some way so why can't others with Trump?
Is he just that special to you?
Honest question and I look forward to your excuse.

a reply to: Allaroundya4k

Stealing from dead people... Yeah, Right!

You seemed to have left out a whole lot of history. The year was 1943, the middle of World War Two. We were fighting Germans and Italians in Europe and North Africa and Imperial Japanese in the Pacific. Tesla had many inventions that until this day have not been unclassified. We also had a mostly communist white house who was taking very much needed war materials off the production line and quickly shipping them to the USSR. Guns, ammo, vehicles and aircraft boxed up and shipped to Russia.

Obtaining the plans and inventions of Tesla was keeping them away from our enemies, but the truth ain't in you...

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Allaroundya4k

Trump the 45th has been working with establishment individuals since he began his career

Can you name one law or action that is in any way tied to Trump and any contribution he made to a candidate to make sure it happened?

Can you explain why he made so much money during his presidential tenure? I thought he divested into a blind trust? Which for some unknown reason whom it went to was someone he knew and....wait for it.....was his son. That's not how that works and proves you got played.
Byers remorse is a thing.

a reply to: frogs453

Did the governor certify the alternate electors?


We can do this step by step if you wish.

a reply to: JinMI

Considering they are being charged as fraudulent? Really? How was the governor supposed to certify them in a room at GOP HQ at 1 in the morning? They sent the certificate off the next morning.


Well this guy states he was never an elector or candidate and didn't realize what was going on.

Renner told investigators he realized he “knew nothing about the electoral process,” when he arrived at the Dec. 14, 2020, meeting.

Renner said it was not until he reviewed House transcripts and information on the official procedure for electors that he “realized that, hold it, there is an official state authorized process for this,” and that what happened “was not legitimate.”

“I had never been an elector, I had never discussed it with anybody,” Renner said. “I was used to a much more informal process at the county level. And so that’s when I became suspicious of what had gone on.”

The Hill

a reply to: frogs453

Considering they are being charged as fraudulent? Really? How was the governor supposed to certify them in a room at GOP HQ at 1 in the morning? They sent the certificate off the next morning.

It will be interesting as the fraud statute can't be applied as there was no gain/loss of anything material. But from your source...again:

The chairperson and the secretary of the state central committee of each political party shall, within 1 business day after the conclusion of the state convention, forward by registered or certified mail a certificate containing the names of the candidates for electors to the secretary of state.

Well this guy states he was never an elector or candidate and didn't realize what was going on.

Which would put a pretty big hole in the fraud charge....

Yet Nessel is using laws designed to combat forgery and money printing.......

Tell me Frogs, do you think these charges are political in nature?