Zionism vs Bolshevism

a reply to: 19Bones79

Are Khazarian Jews a Semitic people?

You and I never did get to finish this bit of the debate in the other OP .

You keep bringing up " Khazarian Jews " .

To that point you seem to be confusing the State of Israel and The Jewish People and Khazars . The state of Israel is home to all sorts of Arabs and Jewish Tribes .

Khazars are a Turkish tribe that Adopted Judaism.

a reply to: DBCowboy
Eh, well then I apologize for stepping into that then. I'm still curious about the these older secretive ... Well societies I guess in as far as their origins and how they may be shaping things today around the world. What hidden knowledge to these folks have that the Israelis themselves are very sensitive when they deal with them??

Have you ever met a Druze person?? I have not but I get the sense these mysterious folks have some kind of clout to have Israel tip toe around them so carefully. The elites will believe what they believe whether we do or not.

a reply to: strongfp

Everyone was jumping on the bandwagon of spooky jews controlling the world...

I seriously doubt Churchill had an impulsive flight of fancy when he penned this letter because of what you label as "spooky Jews".

I don't see this as anything more than just digging up old antisemitic information to some how tie what's going on in todays world of conspiracy theories.

Nothing to see here. I get it. Perhaps if you would put some more thought behind your opinion I would love to read it.

I disagree with "somehow tie up" old antisemitic information with what's going on in today's world of conspiracy theories.

Very much of what has been written about is exactly what's been occurring for over a century.

Would you say that's merely a coincidence?

Perhaps you'd like to admit that what's happening has been accurately written about but still maintain that I'm barking up the wrong tree?

Realistically there was only one actual jew in the leading bolsheviks, Trotsky.

So you disagree with the theory known as "the Jewish plot" which states that a powerful lobby of New York banker's paid Trotsky to overthrow the government and create Bolshevism?

I only ask because the official narrative denouncing that theory is that it would be preposterous that bankers would finance a radical socialist inspired by Marxism to overthrow a financial system that gave them extreme wealth in the first place.

And yet if you look at the socialist Marxism taking hold of the West today the bankers do not seem to mind one bit.

I believe they married it off with a kind of corporate fascism, creating a nice scapegoat between them and the people of the world.

But in the end it has always been the bankers behind it all.

Your thoughts? Instead of just brushing it off?

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

On the contrary. I've stated many times on ATS that I have had a good working relationship with Israeli Jews based upon a hard earned trust from their side based upon years of working for them.

Perhaps you just want me to be some random hateful nobody with no personal experience of the subject sitting behind a screen so that it is easier to dismiss my views.

You would be wrong.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Some people simply refuse to admit that the situation in the middle East is not as one-dimensional as they want everybody else to believe while openly celebrating the death of innocent men, women and children.

YOU are one of those.

And your views will lead to exactly that which you wish to avoid in the first place.

Carry on, soldier.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Maybe you have read bones opinions on Hamas, maybe you have not. But I have not seen him declare his support of Hamas once.

I appreciate that.



In fact, I have stated the opposite of support for Hamas and he knows that.

I have rejected them.

They deserve all the retaliation they can get.

The person you are replying is suffering from severe cognitive dissonance and is being willfully obtuse.

It's a sad day when people celebrate flushing their integrity down the toilet like it's one big, greasy turd.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Anybody who has read your posts regarding Palestinians knows who the racist is.

And it's not evenly 'thinly veiled'.

I don't make claims lightly.

Hamas is just the face and mindset of palestinians.

Unless they completely surrender and return all hostages, then wipe them all out.

Then piss on the rubble.

You've lost the plot.

a reply to: AlexandrosOMegas

It's easy to caricaturize me, is it?


Would you then be guilty of the same thing you accuse me of?

Good job.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit


Somebody will be along shortly to star your virtue signal.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Khazars are a Turkish tribe that Adopted Judaism.

Thank you. So the answer is NO.

a reply to: 19Bones79

Very much of what has been written about is exactly what's been occurring for over a century.

Humor me, what exactly is going on?

I browse 4chan, and I've heard it all about "the jews". And everything always leads back to some old 1920s - 30s, European hatred for the Jewish people. Churchill was a known outright racist, it's no surprise that he would pen such nonsense. He also was in on the overall plot to watch Russia burn and crumble so it could be carved up for the colonial European powers to take over, hence why 7 out of 10 German soldiers died on the eastern front, he knew Hitler would march towards "the land of the jews" and egged him on.

As for the bankers in New York, it was mostly Lenin who secured financing from Wall Street. Again, the interest of carving up Russia was also in their interest as well, so a well organized plot to take out the Tsar was always in the back of opportunists minds. Lenin wrote an entire chapter to the role of banking and bankers in his book "imperialism: the highest stage of capitalism" and set out to weaponize its greedy nature.

Here's a good article on the subject of the "international bankers".

www.reddit.com...

a reply to: strongfp
Thank you for that link. I have begun reading that book, and am learning much I did not know regarding the Wall Street/Bolshevik connection. This Trotsky guy, seems to have been very well connected. This is the first couple of pages from chapter 2.

TROTSKY LEAVES NEW YORK TO COMPLETE THE REVOLUTION
You will have a revolution, a terrible revolution. What course it takes will
depend much on what Mr. Rockefeller tells Mr. Hague to do. Mr. Rockefeller
is a symbol of the American ruling class and Mr. Hague is a symbol of its
political tools.
Leon Trotsky, in New York Times, December 13, 1938. (Hague was a New
Jersey politician)
In 1916, the year preceding the Russian Revolution, internationalist Leon Trotsky was
expelled from France, officially because of his participation in the Zimmerwald conference
but also no doubt because of inflammatory articles written for Nashe Slovo, a Russianlanguage newspaper printed in Paris. In September 1916 Trotsky was politely escorted
across the Spanish border by French police. A few days later Madrid police arrested the
internationalist and lodged him in a "first-class cell" at a charge of one-and-one-haft pesetas
per day. Subsequently Trotsky was taken to Cadiz, then to Barcelona finally to be placed on
board the Spanish Transatlantic Company steamer Monserrat. Trotsky and family crossed
the Atlantic Ocean and landed in New York on January 13, 1917.
Other Trotskyites also made their way westward across the Atlantic. Indeed, one Trotskyite
group acquired sufficient immediate influence in Mexico to write the Constitution of
Querétaro for the revolutionary 1917 Carranza government, giving Mexico the dubious
distinction of being the first government in the world to adopt a Soviet-type constitution.
How did Trotsky, who knew only German and Russian, survive in capitalist America?
According to his autobiography, My Life, "My only profession in New York was that of a
revolutionary socialist." In other words, Trotsky wrote occasional articles for Novy Mir, the
New York Russian socialist journal. Yet we know that the Trotsky family apartment in New
York had a refrigerator and a telephone, and, according to Trotsky, that the family
occasionally traveled in a chauffeured limousine. This mode of living puzzled the two
young Trotsky boys. When they went into a tearoom, the boys would anxiously demand of
their mother, "Why doesn't the chauffeur come in?"1 The stylish living standard is also at
odds with Trotsky's reported income. The only funds that Trotsky admits receiving in 1916
and 1917 are $310, and, said Trotsky, "I distributed the $310 among five emigrants who
were returning to Russia." Yet Trotsky had paid for a first-class cell in Spain, the Trotsky
family had traveled across Europe to the United States, they had acquired an excellent
apartment in New York — paying rent three months in advance — and they had use of a
chauffeured limousine. All this on the earnings of an impoverished revolutionary for a few
articles for the low-circulation Russian-language newspaper Nashe Slovo in Paris and Novy
Mir in New York!
Joseph Nedava estimates Trotsky's 1917 income at $12.00 per week, "supplemented by
some lecture fees."2 Trotsky was in New York in 1917 for three months, from January to
March, so that makes $144.00 in income from Novy Mir and, say, another $100.00 in
lecture fees, for a total of $244.00. Of this $244.00 Trotsky was able to give away $310.00
to his friends, pay for the New York apartment, provide for his family — and find the
$10,000 that was taken from him in April 1917 by Canadian authorities in Halifax. Trotsky
claims that those who said he had other sources of income are "slanderers" spreading
"stupid calumnies" and "lies," but unless Trotsky was playing the horses at the Jamaica
racetrack, it can't be done. Obviously Trotsky had an unreported source of income.
What was that source? In The Road to Safety, author Arthur Willert says Trotsky earned a
living by working as an electrician for Fox Film Studios. Other writers have cited other
occupations, but there is no evidence that Trotsky occupied himself for remuneration
otherwise than by writing and speaking.
Most investigation has centered on the verifiable fact that when Trotsky left New York in
1917 for Petrograd, to organize the Bolshevik phase of the revolution, he left with $10,000.
In 1919 the U.S. Senate Overman Committee investigated Bolshevik propaganda and
German money in the United States and incidentally touched on the source of Trotsky's
$10,000. Examination of Colonel Hurban, Washington attaché to the Czech legation, by the
Overman Committee yielded the following:
COL. HURBAN: Trotsky, perhaps, took money from Germany, but Trotsky
will deny it. Lenin would not deny it. Miliukov proved that he got $10,000
from some Germans while he was in America. Miliukov had the proof, but he
denied it. Trotsky did, although Miliukov had the proof.
SENATOR OVERMAN: It was charged that Trotsky got $10,000 here.
COL. HURBAN: I do not remember how much it was, but I know it was a
question between him and Miliukov.
SENATOR OVERMAN: Miliukov proved it, did he?
COL. HURBAN: Yes, sir.
SENATOR OVERMAN: Do you know where he got it from?
COL. HURBAN: I remember it was $10,000; but it is no matter. I will speak
about their propaganda. The German Government knew Russia better than
anybody, and they knew that with the help of those people they could destroy
the Russian army.
(At 5:45 o'clock p.m. the subcommittee adjourned until tomorrow, Wednesday,
February 19, at 10:30 o'clock a.m.)3
It is quite remarkable that the committee adjourned abruptly before the source of Trotsky's
funds could be placed into the Senate record. When questioning resumed the next day,
Trotsky and his $10,000 were no longer of interest to the Overman Committee. We shall
later develop evidence concerning the financing of German and revolutionary activities in
the United States by New York financial houses; the origins of Trotsky's $10,000 will then
come into focus.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: worldstarcountry

I base it on a history of posts, thinly veiled racist posts against my sister who is Native American, among others.

I don't make claims lightly.

Brooo you sound like a leftist!

You are loosing the Israel Palestine argument so you deflect to people being racist to your sister? This Palestine Israel thing has broken some of you.

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: worldstarcountry

I base it on a history of posts, thinly veiled racist posts against my sister who is Native American, among others.

I don't make claims lightly.

Brooo you sound like a leftist!

You are loosing the Israel Palestine argument so you deflect to people being racist to your sister? This Palestine Israel thing has broken some of you.

Nah.

He was being racist about Jews then tore into my sister about being Native American.

a reply to: 19Bones79

On the contrary. I've stated many times on ATS that I have had a good working relationship with Israeli Jews based upon a hard earned trust from their side based upon years of working for them.

and I've had good working relationships with Arab Muslims in the past , I've worked along side them I've seen their Dedication and Faith to Islam interwoven into their lives and Characters. None of them hated Christians or Jews they simply believed that the Koran contained the True complete word of God.

I've Also seen Arab Christians though they are not a Popular lot I've met them .

And Of course I've also encountered Radical Islamist , They are not what I would call human beings . They are Brain washed to the most extreme point possible . Unfortunately Most Palestinians are raised from a young age to be Radicals , to view Jewish people as less than Human .

When Killing, Raping and Torture brings a person elation and happiness that is a broken person who's society has failed them in the worst way possible . How exactly do we handle people like that ?

Perhaps you just want me to be some random hateful nobody with no personal experience of the subject sitting behind a screen so that it is easier to dismiss my views.

Perhaps you assume to much.

a reply to: strongfp

Humor me, what exactly is going on?

Do you see evidence of the disruption of Christian civilization and an effort to replace it with a world state?

Do you see evidence of liberalism and socialism being used as the means to subvert Christendom?

Do you see evidence of if that subversion fails the plan is to sabotage all the capitals of Europe?

Churchill was a known outright racist, it's no surprise that he would pen such nonsense. He also was in on the overall plot to watch Russia burn

Right. It's accepted that it's never the involvement of Jews.

Never.

In the over 1000 times throughout history they have been expelled from places, they have always been innocent of subversion and falsely accused of misdeeds.

Is that the position your holding on to?

As for the bankers in New York, it was mostly Lenin who secured financing from Wall Street.

Could you explain what you mean when you say "mostly"?

so a well organized plot to take out the Tsar was always in the back of opportunists minds.

Which opportunists would that be?

Who took the entire Russian royal family down to their basement and executed them point blank?

a reply to: DBCowboy

I apologized to her for lashing out.

Have you apologized for your racist views against the Palestinians yet?

Will you do so now?

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

When Killing, Raping and Torture brings a person elation and happiness that is a broken person who's society has failed them in the worst way possible . How exactly do we handle people like that ?

Do you admit that the Israelis have been guilty of exactly these actions since 1948?

And if you're being consistent...

How exactly do we handle people like that?

originally posted by: strongfp
As for the bankers in New York, it was mostly Lenin who secured financing from Wall Street. Again, the interest of carving up Russia was also in their interest as well, so a well organized plot to take out the Tsar was always in the back of opportunists minds. Lenin wrote an entire chapter to the role of banking and bankers in his book "imperialism: the highest stage of capitalism" and set out to weaponize its greedy nature.

Here's a good article on the subject of the "international bankers".

www.reddit.com...

That is a very interesting discussion but it leaves me wondering how you drew from it the conclusion that Lenin secured financing from Wall Street when it was so well refuted in said discussion.

Lenin made an agreement with the German leadership, General Ludendorff to be specific, that if given free transit to Sweden he would take Russia out of the war. You may want to look at the Wallenbergs if you're looking for a banker involved but there is nothing to support the notion of Wall Street connections. As for Trotsky...

However, as Ackerman’s book explains in some detail, the Trotsky-Jewish conspiracy — in 1917 especially — took a very specific form. It centered on the most conspicuous Jewish financier in New York at the time, Jacob Schiff.

Schiff had openly used his wealth to pressure Russia into changing its anti-Semitic polices. Moreover, Schiff had refused to allow his bank to participate in American war loans to Britain or France as long as they allied themselves with Russia. The suggestion of a link between Schiff and Trotsky came directly from the United States government — specifically, its Military Intelligence Division (MID).

Ackerman’s book cites how MID files from this period are rife with slurs against high-profile New York city Jews like Schiff and others, connecting them to Bolshevik leaders.

www.timesofisrael.com...