BRICS admits 6 new members - geopolitical implications.

As part of the first phase, Argentina, Egypt, Ethiopia and the United Arab Emirates will join Saudi Arabia and Iran to become full BRICS members in January 2024. Other phases will follow.

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Do you see it? Compare it with the following map of main shipping routes and their choke points.

a reply to: MindBodySpiritComplex

That doesn't bode well for the western world. I was just reading last night that 20 nations are wanting to join BRICS.

I'm not sure of China's intentions. Like America, they seem to prefer to be dominant and won't likely be satisfied with being an equal.

The western world wants a OWO, while the others don't. I think we all know what's eventually going to happen.

a reply to: nugget1

Even among those critical of the current U.S. led western loony bin many seem to think better the devil you know...

I am doubtful. The corruption has spread too far and deep. The discrepancy between what the collective West claims to be and what it really is has become too wide, too grating, too dissonant, too polarized.

a reply to: MindBodySpiritComplex

While concerning, the current organization is mainly a forum of discussion. At the moment, there aren’t formal trade agreements or deals (like tariff free).

Obviously it shows the potential intent of these nations, but to move from talks to the table is going to be difficult.

At the moment, China is the dominant member. But by the time they’re sharpening their pencil at the table they’ll have their real estate disaster reconciliation along with the one child policy seeds coming to fruition while they see their largest pension class leave the work force. They’re going to want to quarter back while India starts to look more like an equal.

They’re going to have inner community rifts. This has a harder path to materializing than most people anticipate.

a reply to: MindBodySpiritComplex

Can't we north american countries use the arctic circle shipping lanes? We may have to if given no other choice and just let the environment suffer up there as everywhere else.

a reply to: quintessentone

They couldn’t actually stop the west from using most of the routes.

Are they really going to try and blockade South America, Europe, and south east Asia?


Even if all the member states of BRICS committed their navy’s, would that counter the US and Europe?

a reply to: quintessentone

Depends on who you want to trade with. The sheer volume that goes through the maritime shipping choke points is mind boggling. Remember the impact the blockage of the Suez canal by the Ever Given had in 2021? I think it was an intentional warning shot. The new BRICS member's potential control of further choke points signal a very deliberate "can you hear me now?" moment.

As to north American countries: you may want to start funneling some of that money you are pouring into Ukraine into building ice breakers instead...

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: quintessentone

They couldn’t actually stop the west from using most of the routes.

Are they really going to try and blockade South America, Europe, and south east Asia?


Even if all the member states of BRICS committed their navy’s, would that counter the US and Europe?

It's always good to look at other options 'just in case' there is a tea party (over taxing/tariff) situation once again.

a reply to: MindBodySpiritComplex

BRICS admits 6 new members - geopolitical implications.

Combining the top oil producers and exporters into BRICS is going to be an economic force the west will have to deal with and it won't be good. Wall street is reeling....or will be soon.

Goal is to destroy American Dollar.. next step which currency comes as the first, Chinese Yuan or Russian Rouble... Goal is to make western World weaker economicly and make western armament collapse. Which one in future we will bow Putin or Xi Jinping ?
Russia is very active in Africa but China is even more active. If Western World goes to Africa doing same things it will be seen as a colonialization.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: quintessentone

They couldn’t actually stop the west from using most of the routes.

Are they really going to try and blockade South America, Europe, and south east Asia?


Even if all the member states of BRICS committed their navy’s, would that counter the US and Europe?

It's always good to look at other options 'just in case' there is a tea party (over taxing/tariff) situation once again.

That’s true, we have to be pragmatic and consider all possibilities.

We just have to hope that doesn’t happen, it would turn hot fast.

a reply to: olaru12

Which is why energy independence shouldn’t be politicized, mainly switching or supplementing with fuel cell and EV options.

While we wouldn’t be able to make that transition yet because of current battery tech and an insufficient energy grid, we need to at least put some level of attention to it.

We can do so while justifying it with energy security without opening the climate change can of worms.

a reply to: olaru12

Some numbers to ponder in this article:

Expanded BRICS to overtake G7 by four-fold in population, boast 44% of global oil reserves

originally posted by: MindBodySpiritComplex
a reply to: nugget1

Even among those critical of the current U.S. led western loony bin many seem to think better the devil you know...

I am doubtful. The corruption has spread too far and deep. The discrepancy between what the collective West claims to be and what it really is has become too wide, too grating, too dissonant, too polarized.

Think the West has been so lied to and manipulated, we don’t know the truth anymore
I am beginning to think that the West has turned a corner and become the new “Nazis”, we have become the evil that once, a couple of generations ago our great grand parents fought against

Proof of Biden's and the smart people of the DNC's brilliant international policies. I know, quick, we need another COVID scare to straighten all of this out!
It worked so great the last time!

originally posted by: dollukka
. If Western World goes to Africa doing same things it will be seen as a colonialization.

The West is in Africa, just about to be kicked out
Miss the news about Niger
The West is losing their empire, Africa is finally breaking the chains of Western tyranny, thanks to Russia and China

a reply to: Raggedyman

I don't think the West is quite there yet (new “Nazis”) but the current efforts in polarizing western society, especially in the US point to a desired engineered backlash the energy of which will be channelled into forging an openly fascist society. In part for ideological reasons but mostly to more efficiently switch to a war economy and deflect the inevitable financial collapse.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: olaru12

Which is why energy independence shouldn’t be politicized, mainly switching or supplementing with fuel cell and EV options.

While we wouldn’t be able to make that transition yet because of current battery tech and an insufficient energy grid, we need to at least put some level of attention to it.

We can do so while justifying it with energy security without opening the climate change can of worms.

No. Just no.

What we need to do is start pouring money into the newest nuclear tech for safe reactors (LFTRs from memory are the best best currently), but also focus on ones that can be miniaturized.

originally posted by: MindBodySpiritComplex
a reply to: quintessentone

Depends on who you want to trade with. The sheer volume that goes through the maritime shipping choke points is mind boggling. Remember the impact the blockage of the Suez canal by the Ever Given had in 2021? I think it was an intentional warning shot. The new BRICS member's potential control of further choke points signal a very deliberate "can you hear me now?" moment.

As to north American countries: you may want to start funneling some of that money you are pouring into Ukraine into building ice breakers instead...

It appears that we're good without the ice breakers.

As the climate warms and sea ice melts, trans-Arctic shipping routes are becoming easier to navigate, a prospect that is enticing to freight companies. These routes can cut up to 9,000 kilometers off a one-way trip between East Asia and Europe compared with shipping through the Suez or Panama Canals—shortcuts that clip roughly 40 percent off the voyage.

According to a new study, the reality of routine trans-Arctic trade could come sooner than expected. Using satellite data on daily sea ice between 1979 and 2019, the researchers found that the safe navigation season for open-water vessels in the Arctic—trips that could be embarked upon without the help of icebreakers—is already significantly longer than climate models anticipated.

With a few exceptions, most shippers avoid the hostile Arctic Ocean. But according to Kuishuang Feng, an ecological economist at the University of Maryland who worked on the new study, observational data shows that rather than being commercially navigable by the middle of the century, as many climate models predict, several trans-Arctic routes are already navigable for large chunks of the year—and they have been for a while.

hakaimagazine.com...

a reply to: tanstaafl

I’m for that, the energy has to come from somewhere.

But we still need to be able to utilize that energy in a way that offsets our reliance on oil.