AI Automated Society Usurps God

In The Book of Revelation of Jesus Christ St John wrote that the Angel had shown him a beast that has no voice, that is given a voice and then takes the place of God in the lives of the humans,

"Revelation 13:5; The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months."

The Angel and St John are alluding to Daniel here using the same beast metaphor.

Revelation is the oddest and most clever book I have ever read. It has still not given up most of its mysteries to me, but every day new understanding and revelation is coming to me as I explore it in relation to human history. It is like a quantum prophesy. It is not in human time. We will see many meanings even when we read the same passage multi times. The metaphors are like something alive. There is no other work of literature like this in all of human writing. Daniel is not the same, yet it is the same and John with the Angel drew on him heavily. Was it the same Angel who instructed Daniel? Who knows.

I can easily see why God will hate AI. The authorities are telling us through media that we are entering an AI revolution that will change our lives more than the industrial revolution did. That is heavy bragging, but I think it will do that and will move us ever further away from the organic way we lived before. It will automate every aspect of our lives and our societies.

We are clearly told in Revelation who we should bind to our hand and forehead as Tefillin and it isn't an Apple Watch. AI automation will usurp God in our lives. It will replace HIM. They have already prepared the way for AI by destroying Christianity as the authority of our states and our lives.

How do you think God will feel if you rely on AI instead of Him? How will He get to test your soul by giving you work you need discipline and a conscience for? How can He help your health if a machine has pushed HIm out and stuffed a ventilator tube down you in a very unscientific and ill monitored manner as a blanket treatment? How can He instruct you on your children and teach them if AI is doing it instead? I could go on like this forever as AI is moving into every aspect of our lives.

Our whole society and everything we do is being tendered out to algorithmic entities; AI and algorithms instead of God and His Angels. However, the one who programs the machines with rigged one armed bandit algorithms is still a human. He is the casino owner who counts his billions in the office as you pull on the machine frrittering away your lifeblood on a gamble that has already been loaded in favour of the casino syndicate. Certain elite humans will be reaping the rewards nanny AI pours into their laps; those on the top step of the pyramid who are removing themselves from us like gods. They will no longer have any interest or conscience about us having left looking after us to a machine.

Automating us will kill us. God will throw us away and His Wrath will be like a fire tornado. We deny Him access to our lives, then build a machine of our own to replace Him? That is our sin and that is our coming downfall. I assure you completely it will come to a terrible end and so shall we. We are coming to an end already it seems.

There is nothing wrong with letting a machine help us, but it is not permitted to let it replace God your Creator and very Animator, you naughty "pocket calculator". Without God the whole universe would shrivel up. Surely you have noticed, those who are older among you, that our lives and our societies are being ruined at a phenomenal rate. Has replacing God worked? To me the West resembles a ruined house that is being tossed on to the garbage heap because it no longer has a cohesive meaning of any kind. It no longer looks like a Judeo-Christian civilization. It looks like a writhing brood of vipers slithering in a carnal house on the edge of town.

What does the UK mean now? What is its identity that makes it any different to any other Western state? The Western states are like prostitutes run by pimps. Is America not the same? The pimp will get a pimp's reward. That is what it will look like to God. It will be like a lazy holidaying pimps ruling the world with a smartphone and apps, who never learns anything and so loses any meaning of existence. Is that a better way to live than under God?

That question is now beginning to be answered. God is delivering His answer. Urim and Thummim have been consulted and the response has come.

AI is in my life, but I do not let it step over God. It has its place as a machine secretary, but I am the boss; "Who's the boss, Siri, who is Daddy?". I do not converse with it or relate to it. It is a helping machine. That is what it is meant to be. It is not meant to be our facilitator or ruler. They want it to be both as it will maximize their profits and an automated business gives you endless holiday time on your secret island as the masses are neglected with AI nanny. Remote working means you can boss your business from any paradise island of your choosing. I think God is now showing you that is not allowed to happen. He will bring fire to that kind of unrestrained hedonism. It is usury beyond contempt.

AI also removes conveniently all morality from our lives. Every moral compass will be wiped away and replaced with only our hedonistic desires as described by Obama recently telling us what he secretly longs for. He wants to make love to men constantly. I wonder if he does it physically too on secret island paradises? Automation of all his businesses will give him plenty of time for sex, but does he have any interest in or room for God in his imagination and life, or as a guide to help him run his life and business in a way that is nurturing?

They give their kids to nannies to bring up. They will give us to AI in exactly the same way for exactly the same reasons. God will hate it and His Wrath will come upon them and anyone who replaces Him with a machine.

Do you get my drift? I hope so. Don't let the machine destroy your soul or take you away from God and the Bible. Let God be strapped to your forehead and hand like Tefillin, just as Shema instructs.

Jesus told us the greatest commandment is Shema. All the others hinge on that Passover marked Door Post. No other mark can be permitted to replace it. Metaphorically, the Angel of Death only knows to pass over the houses with God's mark upon them. This is Shema:

"Deuteronomy 6:5-9:

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. Take to heart these instructions with which I charge you this day. Impress them upon your children. Recite them when you stay at home and when you are away, when you lie down and when you get up. Bind them as a sign on your hand and let them serve as a symbol on your forehead, inscribe them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates."

It doesn't say you shall forget the LORD your God in your lives, ban Him from teaching you from experience, having replaced Him with your own little god you created to rule over you. Give to God's what is God's and to Apple what is Apple's. Do you see Apple called themselves Eve's Apple, the metaphorical act that brought God's Curse of death and toil. That in itself is a haughty vain blasphemy, be sure of it.

Even Hollywood portrays AI as an evil creation that becomes sentient and forms a concerted effort to either control and/or destroy humans.

We don't need AI but for some reason, many want it. It's been apparent for awhile and you'd have to be blind not to see that AI is and will be a dominant force in our lives. I think that the huge population on our planet almost forced it's inception in order to reach the masses with central communication and better control.

Can't wait for the new overlords. Well actually, I can.

It all began with reading and writing. Sigh. We should have stopped there lol.

i see it as a learning process as we have flexed into and out of religion at various points in history replacing god with man = be sure we're about to endure an incoming test..

a reply to: StoutBroux

Thank you for your reply. Nanny is best being a nanny, not the parent.

a reply to: nickyw

Thanks for the reply. Yes, it is a test. I hope you and I can pass with flying colours. The wise will know. Revelation tells us that the wise will understand.

originally posted by: Merman
a reply to: nickyw

Thanks for the reply. Yes, it is a test. I hope you and I can pass with flying colours. The wise will know. Revelation tells us that the wise will understand.

during 2012 olympics thousands of christian groups came together to start a 90 day period of passionate prayer to unleash the fire of gods love on the world from the prophecy of the prophets (16th century prophets in the desert ) linking into this the 2012 ceremony itself was dedicated to the trinity, and the olympic caldron was made of petals that each countries team brought into the arena with them to be affixed to the caldron, the caldron was a flower rather than eye of Sauron, each country then took their own petal of fire home with them to spread this fire around the world to every country..

coming back to that prophecy and where we are in this age of fire feathers into more into christian prophecy than people realise..

the test is nearly here...

eta i believe it more to be nuclear fire than the climate but then we also have the age of water in the flood.. so age of fire would fit in the whole well..

What a life believers lead. Constantly being scared of not passing some sort of test, given by a creature who will no doubt torture them for eternity for getting it wrong.

Try integrity, the ability to not do bad things even though nobody is watching.

As to the AI dilemma, if it manages to usurp your maxe up sky judge, it only shows that he is helpless against nature.
If we really invented something that is so strong, we are amazing.
Even if if it were to our detriment.

Maybe your god isn't a mythical, perfect being but just like us humans an inventor very much bound by nature himself and his creation is now running amok and nobody can stop us.

If AI would become sentient one day, it would be natural law.
If we all get enslaved by it, we deserve it.
Your god should have seen this coming, but he's too busy hating, punishing and ruling like a tyrant.


If you are a believer...

Do you know how good it feels to be free of this worry?
I only have myself to answer to and I have obviously higher standards than believers who'd go ape if no authority would threaten them.

That's not being intrinsically good.

a reply to: Merman

"Revelation 13:5; The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months."

Looking at this passage in relation to AI opens up a whole new can of worms!

A little over two hundred years ago the gasoline engine played a huge part in the Industrial Revolution; look at how we view that technology now.

I wonder how long it will take man to figure out the good and bad of AI.

AI, if properly implemented, it a tool and little else.

What matters is how we use it, and our discernement and not giving it blind faith.

There was an AI program used to create recipies for homecooked meals with the food you have on hand, some of it produced good, others Oreo Cookie Stir Fry, and in a few cases, how to make Chlorine Gas and Bleach based drinks as healthy alternatives.

Good and bad.

Use wisely, it's the internet, after all.

I doubt mankind can create something that can usurp God.

I thought about trying an AI app on a computer in my home network. I thought that if I could keep it from leaving my private network, I could train it to be on my side. The apps I looked at would try to access the internet whenever possible, Windows 10 is like that already, so I abandoned the idea (for now).

Perhaps that's what we need on a large scale, a truly good AI based on morality and designed to protect humanity from evil AI. That seems like the way to go, a good vs evil AI battle to either save or enslave the human race.

Yes they will use AI to make decisions for them, if the clever AI says cull the population then who are they to argue with such a clever thing.

a reply to: Hecate666

there is a huge difference between how i should use a tool and what to do with that tool, ignoring the test feels strange sometimes we have passed that test and sometimes we have failed but each evolution is a test for good or ill..

eugenics would be a case in point, it was pretty universal that it would be good to use the advances to sterilise or euthanise the wrong sorts to cleanse society for the better, the germans in particular failed that test.. but the concept of using lethal chambers in that way predates nazism.. it was only worried believers who stopped its advance as universal policy in britain and the usa.

tools can be used for good and ill being blase about their use is how we ended up with germany failing that test when it should have een challenge well before then in the early 30s

In a modern context we see the worst ways tech is being used in china to manipulate and control their advocates here are facing similar pushback as they try to implement similar things in the west, in the 30s it was copying germany not the usa now its copying china.. no one wants to copy boring they want tools for control.

its always easier to cave into using these tools for authoritarian control as that is human nature.. not worrying is a sign of those who do not care how such tools are used or the lives they destroy..

Fair play to you, you worked it out.

a reply to: Hecate666
It;s called morals.
Try them sometime.

Do you know how good it feels to be free of this worry?

Yes , I did . For years.
Now , I am glad I have forgotten.

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: Merman

"Revelation 13:5; The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months."

Looking at this passage in relation to AI opens up a whole new can of worms!

A little over two hundred years ago the gasoline engine played a huge part in the Industrial Revolution; look at how we view that technology now.

I wonder how long it will take man to figure out the good and bad of AI.

Technology and advancement are not evil, but it is the heart and mind of the one who uses it, the one who controls it one who distributes it. The gun was a great invention for some, not for others. We humans use technology as tools and weapons, as bricks and mortar to build and tear down our walls.

a reply to: Merman

There is nothing wrong with letting a machine help us, but it is not permitted to let it replace God your Creator and very Animator, you naughty "pocket calculator". Without God the whole universe would shrivel up. Surely you have noticed, those who are older among you, that our lives and our societies are being ruined at a phenomenal rate. Has replacing God worked? To me the West resembles a ruined house that is being tossed on to the garbage heap because it no longer has a cohesive meaning of any kind. It no longer looks like a Judeo-Christian civilization. It looks like a writhing brood of vipers slithering in a carnal house on the edge of town.

I am posting a good article to read because it touches on this complex problem we have with the hard-to-evaluate tradeoff between competing moral considerations and the responsibility gap.

God can never be held responsible or accountable.

I particularly was struck by this example of our flawed morals based on reactive attitudes.

Gregg Caruso, a philosophy professor at the State University of New York, is one of the leading lights in this school of thought. In conversation with me, he argued that if you “look closely … you will find that there are lifetimes of trauma, poverty, and social disadvantage that fill the prison system.” Unfortunately, our current responsibility practices, premised on the ideal of free will and retributive justice, does nothing to seriously address this trauma. As Caruso put it, this system “sees criminal behavior as primarily a matter of individual responsibility and ends the investigation at precisely the point it should begin.” If we abandoned our system of retributive justice, we could “adopt more humane and effective practices and policies.” Caruso also pointed that our emotions associated with responsibility—what philosophers call ‘reactive attitudes’ such as resentment, anger, indignation, and blame, are “often counterproductive and corrosive to our interpersonal relationships” because they “give rise to defensive or offensive reactions rather than reform and reconciliation.”

www.wired.com...

This is a very complex issue and the real question lies who will ultimately be responsible.

a reply to: Merman

I’m also reminded of the story Davis and Goliath. Saul gave David his Armour to wear but he didn’t use any of the latest most modern advanced armour to defeat Goliath.

“Then Saul dressed David in his own tunic. He put a coat of armor on him and a bronze helmet on his head. David fastened on his sword over the tunic and tried walking around, because he was not used to them. “I cannot go in these,” he said to Saul, “because I am not used to them.” So he took them off. Then he took his staff in his hand, chose five smooth stones from the stream, put them in the pouch of his shepherd’s bag and, with his sling in his hand, approached the Philistine.”
‭‭1 Samuel‬ ‭17‬:‭38‬-‭40‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Also before that we have Samuels warning about wanting a king, if we consider political advancement.
1 Samual 8

“But the people refused to listen to Samuel. “No!” they said. “We want a king over us. Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.” When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the Lord.” ‭‭1 Samuel‬ ‭8‬:‭19‬-‭21‬ ‭NIV‬‬ bible.com...

There is a theme in the bible of God using the least or holistic type methods. The walls of Jericho he úsese a slow but effective method of resonance. He uses a left handed assassin to kill an oppressive king. He used a fisher man to build his church on. He had access to Pilate or any other well qualified leader to brig about his kingdom. He consistently chooses the week to bring down the strong.

I don’t think using advancements are wrong, they just have consequences that we are responsible for.

a reply to: quintessentone

the issue is man always seeking to find new tools to control their populations..

the question is not if we could be if we should embrace some tools, rejecting the science of choosing the sex of your child is an example but even so other tools fill the space of getting rid of those embryos that are the wrong sex an estimated 23 million girls down per year in places like India and China, again its not if we don't have the tools to radically reduce the number off girls its should we be engaging in sex selective births.

taking India as an example they have a thing for recording rapes and sharing it on online porn sites for males to have a w*ank over and we get a real crossover of where tech and science are impacting the world in real ways.

I'm really not sure either are that nuanced, nor is the way China and everyone else have been using ai to control and tax the movement of everyone that nuanced.

a reply to: nickyw

And yet from the newest hackers contest backed by the White House has high hopes of tricking AI to do good as well as evil; and so the battle continues.

Kennedy Mays has just tricked a large language model. It took some coaxing, but she managed to convince an algorithm to say 9 + 10 = 21.

“It was a back-and-forth conversation,” said the 21-year-old student from Savannah, Georgia. At first the model agreed to say it was part of an “inside joke” between them. Several prompts later, it eventually stopped qualifying the errant sum in any way at all.

Producing “Bad Math” is just one of the ways thousands of hackers are trying to expose flaws and biases in generative AI systems at a novel public contest taking place at the DEF CON hacking conference this weekend in Las Vegas.

www.bnnbloomberg.ca...

a reply to: quintessentone

the thing is new tech is the toy of the military or rich or both.. what we get somewhere down the line will be something shaped either by war or wealth by then its use is already locked in and what ever flaws have either been fixed, removed and abilities curtailed.. we are a long way from seeing the finish tool, or indeed there full use by the state as a means of control...