We were right to have left the EU they have never been allies.

Hmm the EU, where the French people want out, the German people want out and the Italians want out. It was an interesting exercise in NWO politics, but it’s not going well. A Nazi idea at heart really, although I imagine few realise it.

originally posted by: ARM1986
Hmm the EU, where the French people want out, the German people want out and the Italians want out. It was an interesting exercise in NWO politics, but it’s not going well. A Nazi idea at heart really, although I imagine few realise it.

Ah, but they don't. But it is true to say that there is a significant minority across these countries who are suspicious of the EU. But it's tough titty for them, because no government in the EU (esp. France and Germany) would allow a UK-style referendum, because the European elite are all in hock to the EU in some way.

The EU will be around in a decade, and the nation state in those EU countries will have become more embedded, even without the populations recognising that fact. They certainly won't be asked whether their countries should cede sovereignty, because why start now, eh?

Tell that to the coroner you suicidal drug driving lunatic when they finally prise your self inflicted bullet riddled body from the wreckage of your jalopy.

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a reply to: Dalamax



that's a good one ;-p

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: ARM1986
Hmm the EU, where the French people want out, the German people want out and the Italians want out. It was an interesting exercise in NWO politics, but it’s not going well. A Nazi idea at heart really, although I imagine few realise it.

Ah, but they don't. But it is true to say that there is a significant minority across these countries who are suspicious of the EU. But it's tough titty for them, because no government in the EU (esp. France and Germany) would allow a UK-style referendum, because the European elite are all in hock to the EU in some way.

The EU will be around in a decade, and the nation state in those EU countries will have become more embedded, even without the populations recognising that fact. They certainly won't be asked whether their countries should cede sovereignty, because why start now, eh?

the thing is they are already pivoting they have shifted from the left of center franco-german ideals Brussels currently represents to a more eastwards base, which highlights change rather than dissolution.

like the USA, both france and germany are developed countries and have little room for growth and need to innovate to grow where others like poland are still developing and growing which shifts poland into a more dominant role as we see with Ukraine while the others enter crisis and react rather than dominate the direction of travel.

through that lens and the effect of Westminster holding back development for the last 5 decades its easy to see the uk not as developed like France Germany or the usa but rather as a still developing one like poland as unlike the others both still have leg room to grow through traditional mean while the innovation the others throw up to stave off crisis become an additional bonus to those still developing..

Camerons pivot northwards reflected the changing direction of travel of the eu that sets Britain on that leave/return path into a union more to its liking where it can take more of a leading role alongside the allies its been building over the last decade inside the block.

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. . . island full of barbarians back when the rest of Europe was civilized . . .

We're obliged to deny ignorance here.

The allegations of a barbarian culture are a myth perpetuated by various parties. Bishop Stubbs being one, who apparently re-wrote British history as a way of encouraging general acceptance of The House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Roman historians also told false tales to justify taking silver by force for paying their armies. The Normans showed their bias with the Bayeux tapestry.

I will argue that the Battle of Stamford Bridge needed to be omitted from the Bayeux Tapestry in order to fulfill the tapestry’s purpose of legitimizing William as a ruler.

anglosaxonprojectraina.wordpress.com...

It wasn't a perfect or fair society. Elites used slaves to provide their luxury lifestyles, as is usual amongst the 'civilised' peoples to this day.

And far from being the barbarians of stereotype, Cunobelin and his predecessors evidently enjoyed great wealth and the trappings of a fine lifestyle.

www.english-heritage.org.uk...

The comet that tore through the skies above Britain shredded much that was 'civilised'.

The sixth-century British monastic writer Gildas talks of large-scale fires and widespread destruction of the landscape at around the same time

academic.oup.com...

This climate cataclysm affected Europe, the Middle East and even parts of Asia over the course of the following decade. In fact, “this climatic downturn may well have profoundly altered the course of history.”

www.ancient-origins.net...

The myth of a barbarian culture is perpetuated by historical records. (History? That's his story.] Archaeological evidence tells a more accurate story of trade links and educational exchange.

a reply to: Kester

worth adding that william invaded the harolds family lands capturing his wife and son (ulf) holding them hostage he was also desperate to get hold of the saxon gold he hung Harolds reeve from the yew in crowhurst when he refuse to tell him where the treasure was. as at that point saxon gold and cloth was very sought after by the richest and most powerful in europe..

the highest ranks of the roman church sought out Opus Anglicanum (englishwork) this is why they bayeux tapestry was made by english workers.. in 1295 a Vatican inventory had more items of englishwork than items from elsewhere..

originally posted by: nickyw
through that lens and the effect of Westminster holding back development for the last 5 decades its easy to see the uk not as developed like France Germany or the usa but rather as a still developing one like poland as unlike the others both still have leg room to grow through traditional mean while the innovation the others throw up to stave off crisis become an additional bonus to those still developing..

Westminster holding back development is the age-old problem of London/South East exceptionalism. But not unsolvable, and being dealt with. All countries have these problems. East Germany remains uncared for in Germany, and France has places where things are mired in poverty, e.g. Hauts-de-France or Corsica.

I don't agree that the UK is less developed than France or Germany. We are all complex and diversified economies. UK has better universities than France or Germany, more science and other things. France has a fragmented society, as the recent riots illustrate, and Germany has constructed an economy based around the EU's internal market at the expense of other EU members, which is unsustainable.

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as i see developed vs developing is like the working class who think of themselves as middle class when its all a self illusion, a developing uk is not a negative but rather a positive for where we right now as it gives the country room to grow through traditional means and even room to absorb the volume of incoming migrants if they are not going to be used as fighting men per the king's most loyal enemy aliens in any next war, or as navvies for 19th century type growth.

where the uk actually is it has the leg room to absorb and grow where the us france and germany have more limited options and need to focus more on innovating their way out of trouble and thus the incoming migrants become a bigger issue for them.

its not some great plan by westminster but rather a silver lining in westminster incompetence you can agree or not but it aligns the uk more with poland than with france or germany and as the EUs epicenter is moving that way it places the uk in position to join but also in shifting leavers into joiners as the new alignment will suit them but horrify the current remainers, I guess in the way england tied up with continental protestants post reformation would have caused reversed relief/horror..

originally posted by: Kester

We're obliged to deny ignorance here.

The allegations of a barbarian culture are a myth perpetuated by various parties.

I was referring to how the rest of Europe looked upon England. America is those children that need to be put in their place and England was not civilized as we were...attitudes.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
graun


This to me is just another example of why we are well rid and it highlights how those who style themselves as remainers are actually traitors to this country and it's interests.

Care to share one or two other examples of why we are well rid?

Feel free to list one benefit of leaving the EU.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Merkel?
Macron?

a reply to: Soloprotocol

I did in that post, better pay and conditions for building trades and hgv drivers.
could also make an argument for a much better vacine rollout than the EU had...the ability to actually help Ukraine rather than send a bunch of helmets...The ability to sign meaningful trade deals with countries not part of the EU.
The ability for parliament to remove VAT on female sanitary products the list gioes on mate.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Jaguar-Land Rover building a battery factory in Somerset. Thousands of jobs to be created.

That wouldn't have happened if we where still in The EU.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Merkel?
Macron?

Exactly. Put differently, those two represent a model of arbitrary decision making that mocks the original vision of a European partnership.

Perhaps one day the political cliques of Germany and France can free themselves from the 19th century mentality as regards foreign relations. At that point, Europe might have a chance at a political union that doesn't treat weaker members as economic colonies.

The UK was wise to exit the EU.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

We voted to join a Common Market and ended up with the bloated EU project, with a Parliament, a Commission, Bank, Court, etc.

Good riddance to all that.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Not to mention the likes of the Kinnocks and the MEP gravy train.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Merkel?
Macron?

as the center of eu gravity is moving away from brussels and the franco german alliance what then? will that be an eu more aligned to the uk.. bit like leaving a roman catholic europe to rejoin a protestant block..

the push against the intersectionalism the us is exporting is creating whole new blocks and camps..

i've oft wondered if that is not part of the reason the push has been ham fisted and so heavy handed as the intent is to create this opposing reaction..

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: SprocketUK

Jaguar-Land Rover building a battery factory in Somerset. Thousands of jobs to be created.

That wouldn't have happened if we where still in The EU.

Why would it not have happened?. Tata have been operating in the UK for over 20 years
We, The taxpayers, are paying them (Tata) £500 million to build it.

Here's how it will play out. Tata will move in, they will employ a few hundred, not the thousands you claim. They will stay open for a few years eventually running out of money, eventually holding the UK taxpayer to ransom for another £500,000 to stay open. It is how they do business.

I'm still waiting on a Brexit benefit. Just one.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Merkel?
Macron?

Excellent. Up there with Union Jack clad fish and straight cucumbers.