Lets talk about "A" New World Order --- AKA --- Yur gonna hate me

originally posted by: datguy
a reply to: DBCowboy

it currently suits its needs as far as recognizing human rights, but nationalism and borders are the cause of many problems, we can do without them.

Have at it after I'm dead then. Too old to start a new one-world-government.

Do you think that the ideas in the US Constitution can be improved upon?

No.

a reply to: datguy

I remember 9/11 vastly differently, so I'm not surprised.

How did Bush ruin the supposed 'unity' on that day?

The US was unified briefly against a common enemy: Islam.

Because Islam was cheering!

China and Russia were pleased as well.

We got back to blaming each other, team donk v phant. Didn't take but a minute for us to catch our breath.

That's the truth of it. You showed us exactly how it went with your view on it.

I'm sure governments and countries will remain a part of our future, however the system needs to change. A funded Universal Basic income equal to each person needs ends hunger and the poverty traps inherent in the welfare systems we currently have. A world agreed capital gains tax and an agreed 30% (currently 15%) global minimum corporation tax ends the support that a class system still has today.
Perhaps when everyone gets what they need without question, we will cease war, and we can get on with the task of reaching for the stars.
drive.google.com...

originally posted by: Peter Brake
I'm sure governments and countries will remain a part of our future, however the system needs to change. A funded Universal Basic income equal to each person needs ends hunger and the poverty traps inherent in the welfare systems we currently have. A world agreed capital gains tax and an agreed 30% (currently 15%) global minimum corporation tax ends the support that a class system still has today.
Perhaps when everyone gets what they need without question, we will cease war, and we can get on with the task of reaching for the stars.
drive.google.com...

You'd have to tax everyone at 90% just to provide a UBI to everyone.

If a person doesn't want to work, then they can starve.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

There was an outpouring of support for the US and mourning for those we lost, Sure there were reports of some cheering but mostly in support. Our leaders could have used that momentum for the better but instead choose to go to war.
I knew people that were on the planes, they worked for TJX.
Again the example was about perception, we all have a different perspective.
There will always be some form of conflict, to dismiss an idea with potential to stem the conflict based on fears or concerns of conflict doesn't make sense to me.
I'm also confused by this statement...
"You showed us exactly how it went with your view on it."

originally posted by: DBCowboy
If a person doesn't want to work, then they can starve.

On THIS we can agree, if you didn't bring the food or cook the meal, you better start washing the dishes.

I can also agree that we need to improve the tax system, if we need one at all. Since most money isn't really based on anything you could theoretically just hand it out like candy, or do away with it all together...

a reply to: datguy

I've just always found that socialists are very charitable when it comes to other peoples money.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I've never ascribed to socialism, I was taught about economics even before high school and the concept of 'laissez-faire' and the Invisible hand just makes sense, this also teaches that taxes and tariffs are more socialist (give) than capitalist(take), either of which are prone to corruption
I suppose the extreme would be necromonger vs smurf
not sure what the middle ground would be

It was already a New World Order when I was born in the 70's.

It's just running new social experiments.

Keep talking about what they're going to do, they love new ideas.

Money is the main tool of enslavement. Any "new" system evolving around the concept of a centralized form of currency that's controlled by one or a few empowered entities will bring us right back where we started from. A repeat of the corruption we're experiencing now. If we don't first evolve beyond this system then we won't be able to conceptualize a system that's truly free. That's why I stated that you can't solve a problem from the same level of consciousness that created that problem. The idea that first, we brainstorm solutions, then perhaps everyone will be free is backwards. It actually works in reverse. First, the mind must expand to conceptualize what freedom truly means, and the new system will arise from that newly awakened idea.

the new world order is the world central bank system

There can be only one Lord of the Rings, only one who can bend them to his will. And he does not share power!

a reply to: datguy

You'll get everything, my absolute favorite lazy people excuse so far... Human nature....

a reply to: DBCowboy

Let's agree that if the USA was to stop peeping the world trough the MIC their main economy would be lost. Once your not alowed to war the world, your standards will soon perish or the machine turns inwards for profit. USA can stay, dome them EPA Simpson style and the problem will solve itself...

We can see it already happening...

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Eventually USA is not a blueprint for humanity but that of a failure...

originally posted by: putnam6
So basically Hilliary's "Vast Right-wing conspiracy"

Why can't it just be, corrupt politicians and corporations, like it has always been?

When you post a picture like this it just screams: "hey look at me, I've been brainwashed".

So congratulations on falling victim to the kind of things the OP talks about

Is this a call to action?


a reply to: datguy

all dying empires try to create a new order they can continue to control thus avoid dissolution, this is just the latest American one, the british one was the attempted to create an imperial federation. as though turning westminster into a federal entity would keep india etc locked in and controllable..

the death of the imperial federation (between the wars) was the point in which the last iteration of liberalism died..

so this is the American attempt to do the same 100 years later.. any nwo will suffer the same fate as the imperial federation simply because no one in the usa really believes in it.

originally posted by: ITSALIVE
Is this a call to action?


a reply to: datguy

If talking about the reality that surrounds us makes anyone want to take action then , yes

Do you feel motivated? Do you feel like you want to take part in the world and stop allowing others to drag you along their path? Do you feel like you want to stand up and take control of your own life?

Its definitely not intended to promote more complicity or ignorance

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: datguy

I've just always found that socialists are very charitable when it comes to other peoples money.

Especially rich people, when they're about to provide tax-cuts to fellow rich people.

True saints for some, mediocre capitalist villains for others.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: DBCowboy

Let's agree that if the USA was to stop peeping the world trough the MIC their main economy would be lost. Once your not alowed to war the world, your standards will soon perish or the machine turns inwards for profit. USA can stay, dome them EPA Simpson style and the problem will solve itself...

We can see it already happening...

No.

We could actually stop relying on China and bring manufacturing back to America.