Is civilisation linear or cyclical

A really good interview with a Geologist who is on the cusp of new archeological discoveries, and worked on the pyramid back in the day when you could do boreholes. He argues that the casing stones were found to be advanced composite materials. if true then it must have been an advanced complex society. He maintains that civilization is cyclical over five thousand years per cycle and Globekli Tepe is part of the last cycle. He makes a lot of sense and he is pretty well convinced that Antarctica is being sanitized on Global Earth, as he has the pics showing advanced structures which have been hazed out.

a reply to: anonentity

i tend to think we have a 500 year cycle and are at the very end of the this cycle breaching into the next.

to others we have an ish 2000 year cycle the most notable would be the 5th monarchists.. which places us in the last part of that cycle breeching into the next.. which ironically pivots around kings named Charles..

the thing with Millennialist cycles is how they reflect periods of deep social unrest..

a reply to: anonentity

I tend to believe that Civilisation is ciclica but the power structure is linear...

originally posted by: anonentity
A really good interview with a Geologist who is on the cusp of new archeological discoveries

He's neither a geologist or an archeologist. He's a snake oil salesman

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: anonentity
A really good interview with a Geologist who is on the cusp of new archeological discoveries

He's neither a geologist or an archeologist. He's a snake oil salesman

en.wikipedia.org...

This isn't out of the blue lone wolf stuff here Andy. There has been lots of reasons because the Earth Sun relationship is cyclical. The Sun we live under has wiped life off the Earth apparently in micro Nova events. The next one appears to be around the corner. That might be why our oligarchs are acting it all out in public about their desires for us. Desires that imply they are liars with no care for humans at all.

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: anonentity
A really good interview with a Geologist who is on the cusp of new archeological discoveries

He's neither a geologist or an archeologist. He's a snake oil salesman

en.wikipedia.org...

His website seems blasé and scammy, but it would appear to be accurate to describe him as a geologist as, unless he is lying, he has a BS in geology and has worked in the field of geology.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: anonentity
A really good interview with a Geologist who is on the cusp of new archeological discoveries

He's neither a geologist or an archeologist. He's a snake oil salesman

en.wikipedia.org...

This isn't out of the blue lone wolf stuff here Andy. There has been lots of reasons because the Earth Sun relationship is cyclical. The Sun we live under has wiped life off the Earth apparently in micro Nova events. The next one appears to be around the corner. That might be why our oligarchs are acting it all out in public about their desires for us. Desires that imply they are liars with no care for humans at all.

No, none of that is true. And even if it is, so what? We're all going to die whatever happens! Didn't you see the film?

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: anonentity
A really good interview with a Geologist who is on the cusp of new archeological discoveries

He's neither a geologist or an archeologist. He's a snake oil salesman

en.wikipedia.org...

If one of your acquaintances tells you your house is on fire, are you going check his credentials to see if he's a fire Marshall, or are you going call your wife (if you have one) to see if there's any truth to it?

We should all question the source of any information no matter who is purveying it, but dismissing (or embracing) an idea based on the source alone is confirmation bias at worst, and lazy at best.

a reply to: anonentity

You could say the rise and fall of civilizations throughout history is loosely "cyclical", but I would prefer to broaden that to human history may be "cyclical" due to cataclysms or other ELE events that left a remnant to start all over again and re-acquire the same knowledge that was previously already known.

a reply to: Klassified

Considering the current climate ominously closing in on the history and archeology world that seems to be adamant to try proving things like Atlantis and Nordic Egyptian pharaohs or aliens bringing their technology to bronze age stone masons, yes, checking credentials is very much needed.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Klassified

Considering the current climate ominously closing in on the history and archeology world that seems to be adamant to try proving things like Atlantis and Nordic Egyptian pharaohs or aliens bringing their technology to bronze age stone masons, yes, checking credentials is very much needed.

Check credentials, but if we reject or embrace ideas based solely on credentials, we are the bigger fools.

originally posted by: anonentity
A really good interview with a Geologist who is on the cusp of new archeological discoveries, and worked on the pyramid back in the day when you could do boreholes.

I wonder when that was. As far as I know, the Egyptian government stopped most invasive projects on the pyramids some time ago.

He argues that the casing stones were found to be advanced composite materials.

This makes me question just how good a geologist he is. Simply looking at the rocks shows they're limestone.

if true then it must have been an advanced complex society. He maintains that civilization is cyclical over five thousand years per cycle and Globekli Tepe is part of the last cycle. He makes a lot of sense and he is pretty well convinced that Antarctica is being sanitized on Global Earth, as he has the pics showing advanced structures which have been hazed out.

And apparently he's not real good with hunting up information. Or math. Gobekli Tepi was 8,000 years ago which puts a "reset" at 1000 BC (and you can clearly see from what civilizations around the world were doing and writing that this is not true).

If anything, it resembles the Drunkard's Walk algorithm -- though it's moving generally toward more complex things and larger societies rather than moving in a truly random direction.

We have over 100,000 years of evidence for h. sapiens and around 3 million years of evidence for humanoids. There's no sign of regular cycles.

Nor is there in any of the Great Extinctions or minor extinctions.

a reply to: Klassified

Well, if someone has a high level of credentials they're more likely to be taken seriously, if you don't then you need to prove your ideas in the correct manner.
It's important to hear people speak about they're ideas, but sometimes the ideas have already been expressed in many different ways, it's just that those ideas don't hold up or have any significant meaning, or have been widely accepted already.

History being cyclical isn't a novel concept and it is an accepted concept, because of the study of history and humanities has taught us anything is that our human psychology and motives to move 'forward' in a seemingly linear historical path doesn't change.

Fyodor Dostoyevsky put it a rather nihilistic sense in his book 'the underground man:

The only gain of civilisation for mankind is the greater capacity for variety of sensations - and absolutely nothing more

Was a little dig at the materialists of his age that he loathed, but at the same time, yes that is all human civilization really is, just finding new and inventive ways to please or connect our senses to the natural universe we live in. The past societies that made up the path to our current civilization weren't more or less advanced mentally they simply didn't have the technology to achieve the high level of sensation 'tingling' and pleasing, but they were constantly looking for it, this is why we have set eras and time periods in which we set in a date such as the agricultural revolution, or industrial revolution.

Gobekli tepe wasn't the end of a cyclical era, it was the phase leading to the next era of human civilization - well one of them - , some people back then felt that their way of living wasn't worth the effort of an old way of living and slowly found a new way, which was farming, and a whole new set of ways to enhance our senses began.

The whole catastrophic event followed by a whole new civilization isn't a new idea, but events like that are just unfortunate events but that didn't stop us from progressing obviously, because here we are today.

The Mote in God's Eye

Fast cycling civilization, rapid breeders, very skilled engineers and mechanics, highly industrious, intelligent.

Their lifecycle from rise to fall was very short.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
The Mote in God's Eye

Fast cycling civilization, rapid breeders, very skilled engineers and mechanics, highly industrious, intelligent.

Their lifecycle from rise to fall was very short.

Nice reference.

a reply to: strongfp
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you've written. My only point was what I already stated...

Rejecting or accepting information based solely on credentials is foolish. Time and again, those with "credentials" have scoffed at those without and have had to amend their attitude and science later. Germs, Ohms law, Quarks, Gobekli Tepe, and the list goes on.

So yes, take their credentials and history into account, but don't automatically dismiss them because of their credentials or lack thereof. Prove or disprove what they're saying instead assassinating their character.

a reply to: anonentity

I would say both.

The cycle that shape civilizations are the same, individual civilizations may seem linear in that they may not survive the cycle.

a reply to: Klassified

No one is dismissing these sorts of people's ability to convey their message, or speak, go ahead, but when they get called out for being wrong then they can't complain. Graham Hancock is a prime example.

People dismiss him outright now because he's been proven wrong on many occasions, and it's not like he's just hammering out posts on a forum like here and it's mostly bants, he's publishing things and then attacking people with credentials saying they're trying to cancel him and such, and then continues on to talk about whatever pseudo history he comes up with next.

I'll personally listen to people with alternative theories, - i even make up my own - that's why I come to ATS mostly, and I do listen to outside the box history, and a lot of people do. But, if they don't have credentials and speak as is they absolutely know, then you better have some solid homework done. That's all.

a reply to: Klassified

" Rejecting or accepting information based solely on credentials is foolish."

That is Exactly what the " Scientific Community " does . Control the Narrative by Disclaiming the Messenger .

a reply to: Byrd

And apparently he's not real good with hunting up information. Or math. Gobekli Tepi was 8,000 years ago which puts a "reset" at 1000 BC (and you can clearly see from what civilizations around the world were doing and writing that this is not true).

Located in the Germuş mountains of south-eastern Anatolia, this property presents monumental round-oval and rectangular megalithic structures erected by hunter-gatherers in the Pre-Pottery Neolithic age between 9,600 and 8,200 BCE. These monuments were probably used in connection with rituals, most likely of a funerary nature. Distinctive T-shaped pillars are carved with images of wild animals, providing insight into the way of life and beliefs of people living in Upper Mesopotamia about 11,500 years ago.

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