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originally posted by: frogs453
I do know of a beautiful 28 year old mom of two who died on her front lawn while walking to her car of a stroke, and my uncle had his first stroke at 30. However, this was well before 2020. Both appeared very fit and healthy at the time. It does occur.
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: frogs453
I do know of a beautiful 28 year old mom of two who died on her front lawn while walking to her car of a stroke, and my uncle had his first stroke at 30. However, this was well before 2020. Both appeared very fit and healthy at the time. It does occur.
FWIW it can be both, yes young people have died before, but the question is how many are dying? there are a few reputable people saying we are now getting excess deaths above the normal "young people dying"
originally posted by: frogs453
Possibly. However, why does everyone jump to vaccines, when it was discovered before the vaccinations were available that even an asymptomatic case of covid can cause heart attacks and stokes months after the covid case?
originally posted by: frogs453
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: frogs453
I do know of a beautiful 28 year old mom of two who died on her front lawn while walking to her car of a stroke, and my uncle had his first stroke at 30. However, this was well before 2020. Both appeared very fit and healthy at the time. It does occur.
FWIW it can be both, yes young people have died before, but the question is how many are dying? there are a few reputable people saying we are now getting excess deaths above the normal "young people dying"
Possibly. However, why does everyone jump to vaccines, when it was discovered before the vaccinations were available that even an asymptomatic case of covid can cause heart attacks and stokes months after the covid case? So, the thing is, much more information is needed before you can assume it's the vaccination. That's the problem with fear mongering. Just jumping to one conclusion without considering all of the possibilities. Why is the thread not considering all of the possibilities?
originally posted by: Silcone Synapse
originally posted by: frogs453
Possibly. However, why does everyone jump to vaccines, when it was discovered before the vaccinations were available that even an asymptomatic case of covid can cause heart attacks and stokes months after the covid case?
Never heard that before,got a reputable link?
More anecdotal evidence- I know 2 previously healthy under 45s in my area who have "died suddenly."
Both had all the boosters,one had bad side effects from day one but kept on boostng.
I don't know anyone of that age groupe in my area who hads died suddenly after recovering from covid.
If the MRNA vaccines are so safe-wouldn't we expect to see the adverse effects reports in around the same number as say,childhood vaccines?
As most kids are given vaccines when they are born,the negative adverse effects should be in the same ballpark.
But they are FAR higher for the MRNA shots than any other vaccine-at least here in the UK with our "yellow card"reporting system.
That differnce suggests that something is not right here.
originally posted by: frogs453
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: frogs453
I do know of a beautiful 28 year old mom of two who died on her front lawn while walking to her car of a stroke, and my uncle had his first stroke at 30. However, this was well before 2020. Both appeared very fit and healthy at the time. It does occur.
FWIW it can be both, yes young people have died before, but the question is how many are dying? there are a few reputable people saying we are now getting excess deaths above the normal "young people dying"
Possibly. However, why does everyone jump to vaccines, when it was discovered before the vaccinations were available that even an asymptomatic case of covid can cause heart attacks and stokes months after the covid case? So, the thing is, much more information is needed before you can assume it's the vaccination. That's the problem with fear mongering. Just jumping to one conclusion without considering all of the possibilities. Why is the thread not considering all of the possibilities?
originally posted by: frogs453
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: frogs453
I do know of a beautiful 28 year old mom of two who died on her front lawn while walking to her car of a stroke, and my uncle had his first stroke at 30. However, this was well before 2020. Both appeared very fit and healthy at the time. It does occur.
FWIW it can be both, yes young people have died before, but the question is how many are dying? there are a few reputable people saying we are now getting excess deaths above the normal "young people dying"
Possibly. However, why does everyone jump to vaccines, when it was discovered before the vaccinations were available that even an asymptomatic case of covid can cause heart attacks and stokes months after the covid case? So, the thing is, much more information is needed before you can assume it's the vaccination. That's the problem with fear mongering. Just jumping to one conclusion without considering all of the possibilities. Why is the thread not considering all of the possibilities?
originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: face23785
I agree that research is needed. But again to blame one without blaming the other is fear mongering. We have a whole thread of that here, they list everything from long bouts of cancer to suicide and drug over doses as "sudden deaths from the vaccine". It's ridiculous and almost 100 pages long.
originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
So I watched True Spirit the other day on Netflix and I really enjoyed it. It tells the story of Jessica Watson, the youngest person to sail solo and unassisted around the world. There aren't many Australian movies I actually enjoy despite being Australian but this movie was very well made. I was on YouTube and decided to search for the trailer to see what people were saying about it, and one of the top results was a video titled "Sailor Jessica Watson breaks silence following sudden death of partner".
Turns out her partner "died suddenly" from a stroke which they say was caused by high blood pressure. The really telling thing is I'm not even looking for these stories, I'm tired of the whole subject, but I keep hearing about unexplained or sudden deaths in healthy young people. I can hardly go a week without hearing about a strange unexpected death, including a lot of rich and famous people. Yet the masses collectively shrug it off like absolutely nothing is happening... it just boggles my mind.
A quick Google search tells me "there are two main causes of stroke: a blocked artery (ischemic stroke) or leaking or bursting of a blood vessel (hemorrhagic stroke)". Sounds to me like blood clotting could be a major cause of stroke... nah I'm sure it's just a coincidence this 29 year old died of a stroke shortly after the vaccines started to be rolled out. I hate to turn such an uplifting story into something so depressing, but when I saw this story I felt a need to share it and let out a little rant.
Here's the trailer for True Spirit if anyone is interested:
"The study, led by the Brigham and Women’s Hospital Center for Advanced Heart Disease in Boston, examined patients in hospitals around the world, including in Australia. It said researchers gained access to data from five hospitals recording 600 Australian Covid-19 patients and 73 Australian deaths as of 21 April.
But data from Johns Hopkins University shows only 67 deaths from Covid-19 had been recorded in Australia by 21 April. The number did not rise to 73 until 23 April. The data relied upon by researchers to draw their conclusions in the Lancet is not readily available in Australian clinical databases, leading many to ask where it came from.
The federal health department confirmed to Guardian Australia that the data collected on notifications of Covid-19 in the National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System was not the source for informing the trial."
“Ethical approval is needed for any research that involves human participants; their tissue and /or data to ensure that the dignity, rights, safety and well-being of all participants are the primary consideration of the research project.” " Why you must apply for ethical approval | Research and ...
Dr Allen Cheng, an epidemiologist and infectious disease doctor with Alfred Health in Melbourne, said the Australian hospitals involved in the study should be named. He said he had never heard of Surgisphere, and no one from his hospital, The Alfred, had provided Surgisphere with data.
“Usually to submit to a database like Surgisphere you need ethics approval, and someone from the hospital will be involved in that process to get it to a database,” he said. He said the dataset should be made public, or at least open to an independent statistical reviewer.
“If they got this wrong, what else could be wrong?” Cheng said. It was also a “red flag” to him that the paper listed only four authors.
“Usually with studies that report on findings from thousands of patients, you would see a large list of authors on the paper,” he said. “Multiple sources are needed to collect and analyse the data for large studies and you usually see that acknowledged in the list of authors.”