The Invisible is Greater than the Visible

Many have taken the entirety of their philosophy to be centered around what can be observed or studied. This is quite sensible, but this type of pursuit inevitably reaches a dead-end. This is due to the well-accepted fact that nothing we see around us will endure forever. But this should not instill dread, because the visible realm is merely a shadow of the infinitude that exists in the invisible



All that we see is a spectrum of wavelength between 380-740 nanometers. This is among an infinite spectrum of other frequencies that are not visible to the naked eye! So although we are fine-tuned to this dimension and able to perceive its existence, we shouldn't be fooled into thinking that the visible world made the invisible intelligence that pervades all matter.

Consider the physical forces that allow the continuation of all matter. For example, if the forces that attract molecules together were instantly reduced to 0, then all matter would turn to a fine dust in an instant. This is a clear example of how the invisible governs the visible. In fact, the visible is a constant representation of the invisible forces.

Also consider how water evaporates, condenses into clouds, and then rains down to give life to the earth. This entire cycle is governed by immutable laws of nature. We can't see the laws themselves, but we can see their effect and the life that they give. It is the same with the Apex Creator God. God is invisible, but we can notice the Creator through His finely-tuned creation.

"Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation, for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him. He existed before anything else, and he holds all creation together." Colossians 1:15-17

The US Constitution is a law that quite literally constitutes the state of America. So too does God's Law constitute the state of all life. These intricate and mathematically precise laws are still not yet fully discovered by scientific inquiry, but their consistency is undeniable. This is the meaning of "Logos", which is a name attributed to God and Christ. Logos is the root word of logic, and we can see this logic by the perpetuity of all ordered systems. This is why it's called biological life. It was designed, and continues according to that design.

"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse." Romans 1:20

a reply to: cooperation
The outer, is the fruit of the inner.

The words from our mouth are the overflowing of our hearts…perhaps one of Jesus’ greatest statements. Pondering it leads to freedom.

a reply to: BlueJacket

The words from our mouth are the overflowing of our hearts…

With some it sounds more like the overflowing is coming from way down with all the feces they spout...

a reply to: cooperton

That is only saying how limited our sensors are. There is no unseen without the one who looks. Only you, by opening your eyes and looking, are dividing the world in two reference frames, seen and unseen.

The initial premise of trying to understand the unseen by only lookin at the seen, like science does is futile, is good, but to then make the leap to say that the unseen is God because science can't explain everything is just so old school...

It's like that hit man you can use on all the dead ends, we all sleep better without dead ends

a reply to: cooperton
We all have the option (yes option) to see all of these other specters through meditation and unlocking of the chakras which will let us see what we really are and what the universe really is!

All the answers we seek are within ourselves. We just have to train to quite our minds and listen to our souls.

I am a firm believer that Constantine created Christ and edited the bible to fit the narrative of the day (bringing old test. jews in with new test. Christians' to quell the unrest in the splintering Roman Empire) by doing this and creating a Jewish Christ it settled down the radical sects of Jews that were ransacking Rome.

The more you look at the similarities of the cuneiform tablets from Mesopotamia along with the Greek created myology, Jesus was a construct of both. The Romans adapted many religions and practices from their conquered people. Blending Judaism and a Roman created Christ in the most populace cities in the world, Christianity spread like wildfire and is still the prevalent "answer" when scientist (that have religion) cling to when they hit so called dead ends.

So called "magic" much like the unknown or un-recovered ancient knowledge/sciences that are locked up in the Vatican vault more than likely by the cabal and who ever is really running this world.

They keep us in the dark for a reason. True knowledge is power and they hold all the keys to this locked knowledge.

Cool post though!

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: cooperton

That is only saying how limited our sensors are. There is no unseen without the one who looks. Only you, by opening your eyes and looking, are dividing the world in two reference frames, seen and unseen.

The initial premise of trying to understand the unseen by only lookin at the seen, like science does is futile, is good, but to then make the leap to say that the unseen is God because science can't explain everything is just so old school...

It's like that hit man you can use on all the dead ends, we all sleep better without dead ends

I like where the OP leads with the invisible controlling the visible, and I appreciate your perspective on it. I look at it essentially the same; regardless of one's beliefs, it is an eye-opener to open your mind to the vastness of the invisible, and how little of existence man can detect with basic senses and consciousness.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: cooperation
The outer, is the fruit of the inner.

The words from our mouth are the overflowing of our hearts…perhaps one of Jesus’ greatest statements. Pondering it leads to freedom.

I have personally realized this is true. By loving even our enemies we transmute the world around us to a bountiful loving world.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: cooperton

That is only saying how limited our sensors are. There is no unseen without the one who looks. Only you, by opening your eyes and looking, are dividing the world in two reference frames, seen and unseen.

The initial premise of trying to understand the unseen by only lookin at the seen, like science does is futile, is good, but to then make the leap to say that the unseen is God because science can't explain everything is just so old school...

It's like that hit man you can use on all the dead ends, we all sleep better without dead ends

If unseen forces are responsible for matter acting according to intelligent mathematical order then it is safe to assume there is an intelligence responsible for these laws.

originally posted by: HUBE007
a reply to: cooperton
We all have the option (yes option) to see all of these other specters through meditation and unlocking of the chakras which will let us see what we really are and what the universe really is!

All the answers we seek are within ourselves. We just have to train to quite our minds and listen to our souls.

I would agree. In the OP I was referring to what is visible to the naked eye. I was going to get into insight, and the potential to tap into the eternal so long as your heart and mind are in-tune.

I am a firm believer that Constantine created Christ and edited the bible to fit the narrative of the day (bringing old test. jews in with new test. Christians' to quell the unrest in the splintering Roman Empire) by doing this and creating a Jewish Christ it settled down the radical sects of Jews that were ransacking Rome.

This would mean Constantine was a Jewish history savant. For him to be able to fabricate the story of Christ which fulfills the prophecies of all the major prophets would be quite astounding. Especially given that fabricating a Messiah would infuriate the Jewish people rather than calm then down. I do think Christianity has been abused for political gain, but that doesn't mean that Christ Himself is inauthentic. Imagine ignoring science just because some scientists dispense misleading information disguised as science.

I realize very few are willing to follow the process of raising
the anointed seed within.

#1 Live a clean life towards purity in thought, word, desire and deed.
#2 Follow a vegetarian diet.
#3 Avoid all forms of alcohol and drugs.
#4 Avoid all forms of gluttony.
#5 Avoid all forms of sexual indulgence
#6 Study and meditate on the ancient writings of scripture,
and the classics of Egypt, Chaldean, Greece and India.

All of which teach the new birth within in symbolic and allegorical language.

hate when people say stuff like science tries to understand the unseen by looking the seen, that's not how science works, the unseen is not as unseen as you think, everything has some kind of influence on everything else that can be observed.

as for god or whatever, that's not the focus of science since religions are based off beliefs rooted in philosophies that are rooted in human emotion and personal experiences, not priori knowledge based off empirical data.

originally posted by: namehere
hate when people say stuff like science tries to understand the unseen by looking the seen, that's not how science works, the unseen is not as unseen as you think, everything has some kind of influence on everything else that can be observed.

as for god or whatever, that's not the focus of science since religions are based off beliefs rooted in philosophies that are rooted in human emotion and personal experiences, not priori knowledge based off empirical data.

That is exactly how science works. It always builds on what is already seen or known. Measuring and testing the "seen" often reveals what isn't seen yet.

Science is also built on many philosophies and even religion and always searching for more. If everything was "seen" then no one would need to look.

You mentioned "hating" too, and hating things isn't a good frame of mind to have for any scientist.

Always keep an open mind, that's how breakthroughs are discovered. Sometimes a person may even discover "themselves" in a new light they never saw before.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

That is exactly how science works. It always builds on what is already seen or known. Measuring and testing the "seen" often reveals what isn't seen yet.

Science is also built on many philosophies and even religion and always searching for more. If everything was "seen" then no one would need to look.

It is assumed that nothing in our material realm can surpass the speed of light, but that doesn't mean "things" don't exist at a speed faster than the speed of light. If anything was going faster than the speed of light it would be invisible. The Lorentz transformation shows that as an object approaches the speed of light it begins contracting until it literally disappears if it reaches the speed of light. These 'things' are referred to as tachyons.

Therefore there could be an entire boundless universe that exists of these tachyonic entities all existent within the light itself

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: cooperton

That is only saying how limited our sensors are. There is no unseen without the one who looks. Only you, by opening your eyes and looking, are dividing the world in two reference frames, seen and unseen.

The initial premise of trying to understand the unseen by only lookin at the seen, like science does is futile, is good, but to then make the leap to say that the unseen is God because science can't explain everything is just so old school...

It's like that hit man you can use on all the dead ends, we all sleep better without dead ends

oh no.

gotta explain things with
stuff like dark matter and dark energy.

ok?

it's science.
see where i'm going with this?

a reply to: sarahvital

Yes I do... Pot calling kettle black....

a reply to: HUBE007

Perhaps there are many paths to the one destination HUBE007. The path of loving devotion (Bhakti in Vedanta) being as valid as any other path. Which can kindle revelations seven golden candlesticks (cough chakras). Resulting in the 144,000 petals of Revelation 7:4. One does not need to know the heart for it to beat.

a reply to: cooperton

Consider the physical forces that allow the continuation of all matter. For example, if the forces that attract molecules together were instantly reduced to 0, then all matter would turn to a fine dust in an instant. This is a clear example of how the invisible governs the visible. In fact, the visible is a constant representation of the invisible forces.

Should I be the snarky atheist and start listing logical fallacies? Like it's a fallacy because it carelessly assumes there needs to be intelligence behind the physical constants of our universe?

There really are some pretty abstract (goofy) but totally plausible alternatives.

If one were to ask a broad set of related questions, "Why are the laws of the universe what they are, and more technically why did the the fundamental forces split at seemingly preset critical temperatures?"

One could easily insert intelligence there. Like a programmers base code for how the fundamental particles will interact. And what happens if...

But that's not the only possible answer. It's a simpler one in most cases, but there are others.

"For no reason at all, it just happened that way"

That one seems lazy. You can get complex using String theories.

In the equations of string theory there is a necessity for compactification of higher dimensions, which translate into many world superpositions. Including one specifically that accounts for "All variations of all possible laws of physics".

That gives you a layered but easy answer, "Because it has to exist that way in some branch of the multiverse".

No more right or wrong.

Maybe the natural state of being is non-coporeal and the rest in that state of energy is the dream here... which one can make and mold into a nightmare or a paradise.

30 seconds of REM can be hours, days even a lifetime... and when we die we actually wake up discovering we've only been asleep for the evening and actually dreaming for the past 30 minutes.

originally posted by: Terpene

The initial premise of trying to understand the unseen by only lookin at the seen, like science does is futile, is good, but to then make the leap to say that the unseen is God because science can't explain everything is just so old school...

The invisible is the archetypal Mind. We can't see our minds, but we know we have one. A self-awareness. "God" is an insufficient word, but it's a shortcut to define that which cannot be defined. Anyone who is turned off by the word God is just as prejudiced as those who blindly support a God that they don't understand.

a reply to: cooperton

God is not an explanation, for anything. Just a lazy cop-out.

That is if there is such a thing that can not be defined. I think there isn't . Just limited time and perception.
it works pretty well without an overarching super daddy, if you don't need to define everything...

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: cooperton

God is not an explanation, for anything. Just a lazy cop-out.

Do I really have to say "Unbegotten Eternal Omniscient Source of All Existence"? That doesn't even full describe this Being from which we come, and it's also more convenient to call this Being "God".

That is if there is such a thing that can not be defined. I think there isn't . Just limited time and perception.
it works pretty well without an overarching super daddy, if you don't need to define everything...

This is all a random accident without an intelligent Creator. And that implies eternal nothingness for all of us after we pass.

a reply to: cooperton

It's all black and white... Isn't it?

Dichotomies suck...