Easter Island Moai age in light of Karahan Tepe

a reply to: xtrapsx

Global culture?
Maybe there was a NWO made up of elite world traveling navigators that visited the island and impressed the natives.
I would associate the "face" with the RA eyed female from this Egyptian interpretation.
Might be important that the eye of RA looks south in that narrative.



By the late dynastic period near the time Plato would have been projecting the myth of Atlantis the short leg was a composite of four. Maybe the eye of Horus did the math looking north?

a reply to: Loopdaloop

They mapped the DNA of the Polynesians inhabiting the islands to see how the general population spread from Samoa through Polynesia eventually settling Easter island about 1200 AD. But there may have been an earlier culture that either died out or didn't add significantly to the DNA pool after the Polynesians arrived. We know they were sailing around the west coast of Africa 500 BC in Egyptian design boats and it would be easy to ride the trade winds to Mexico since its downwind all the way. The Mexican Olmec culture dates back about 1500 BC and there are sculptures from that period with West African features.

Montezuma believed that perhaps Cortés was the Aztec god Quetzalcoatl, who had promised to return one day. So maybe some early Egyptian explorer rode the trade winds across to Mexico and was enshrined as a god 1000 BC. And of course if it was an Egyptian explorer and they attempted to return home they wouldn't make much progress sailing east against the trade winds. Probably spent a summer sailing along the northern coast of South America looking for a route south to the westerlies but failed. Navigators in those days might have thought they could sail down the west coast of south America and pick up the westerlies along an easy to reach southern coastline like Hanno almost did with Africa in 500 BC.

Would have had to build another boat for the attempt on the Pacific side of the Panama but maybe they did eventually leave Mexico and follow the coastline as far as Peru before realizing there was no eastern passage? Small entourage like that they could have settled anywhere and any evidence they were there would be lost. Or maybe they actually decided it was worth the risk to sail west across the dateline to get home not realizing there weren't many islands along the route. Easter island has about a 500 meter elevation so when climatic conditions were right there would be enough uplift to create clouds above the island even when the island itself was not visible below the horizon. Navigators in those days used to watch for subtle clues like that, stray birds etc. to find remote islands.

Makes a good story but there isn't a shred of mainstream evidence LOL, and of course they would have to leave a monument to their stay on the island to be found later by the Polynesians who settled the island more heavily.

originally posted by: fromunclexcommunicate
There were four statues carved of the Moai with red topknot hats at Anakena Ahu.

There are several with hats, which hats are carved from separate stones.

Hats are missing on some of them, but some of the hats are found on the ground next to them. It's not known if they were placed on top and fell, or if they were never placed.

Harte

a reply to: Harte

If they were sailing on a reach south along the coasts of Colombia and Ecuador the navigators would probably note the bright stars of the southern cross rising above the shoreline and arcing west towards tomorrow morrow land. Those ancient sailing vessels could run downwind with the trades but even with side oars lowered would be limited to sailing a broad reach of at least 110 degrees off the wind. So if they sailed as far south as southern Peru looking for the westerlies, the shoreline starts to bend SE and the strong headwinds would leave them needing to anchored on more days than not. Must have been heartbreaking if they were trying to sail home.

So the statues facing south on the beach might have been a tribute to the night sky.
The circular stones with the "top knots" would be explainable if you were a navigator watching the night sky rotate around the southern pole axis of the night sky. Of course its still somewhat of a mystery how Peruvian sweet potatoes arrived on Easter island? They were first domesticated around 2500 BC by agricultural tribes in Peru.

sweet potatoe

originally posted by: fromunclexcommunicate
a reply to: Harte

If they were sailing on a reach south along the coasts of Colombia and Ecuador the navigators would probably note the bright stars of the southern cross rising above the shoreline and arcing west towards tomorrow morrow land. Those ancient sailing vessels could run downwind with the trades but even with side oars lowered would be limited to sailing a broad reach of at least 110 degrees off the wind. So if they sailed as far south as southern Peru looking for the westerlies, the shoreline starts to bend SE and the strong headwinds would leave them needing to anchored on more days than not. Must have been heartbreaking if they were trying to sail home.

So the statues facing south on the beach might have been a tribute to the night sky.
The circular stones with the "top knots" would be explainable if you were a navigator watching the night sky rotate around the southern pole axis of the night sky. Of course its still somewhat of a mystery how Peruvian sweet potatoes arrived on Easter island? They were first domesticated around 2500 BC by agricultural tribes in Peru.

sweet potatoe

Better than that: www.idtdna.com...

But questions remain: Did Polynesians sail to South America, or did Americans sail to Polynesia?

Sweet Potatoes show up in central Polynesia in around 1200 AD.

a reply to: xtrapsx

The older stuff in Egypt is also of higher quality, those thousands of bowls turned from hard granite, which has a highly polished finish suggest that fact.

a reply to: Hanslune

The DNA of Australian aboriginals is exactly the same as the original race living in South America. That's another big mystery. They could not have walked it, and neither could they swim the distance. As for the sweet potato, it was common in New Zealand as well. The time they arrived during an ice age, Which might suggest the area of their habitation don in Tierra del Fuego, might have gotten too cold so they looked for another place to live. I would surmise that the trade winds were different in latitude during the glaciated periods. Rush canoes similar to the ones on lake Titikaka were used in NZ as well.

a reply to: anonentity

Smaller population on Easter island and the subject matter for the statues appears limited to honoring their ancestors.
First ships from Egypt who's navigators had been indoctrinated with the Egyptian bird/RA theme that may have sparked the Quetzalcoatl myths in CA probably arrived around 1000 BC. The Stele of the lady Taperet I posted above was from the 22nd dynasty.

Hats on statues are a mystery, the "top knot" could be an egg, a sweet potato, something about the circumpolar star rotation that was different before 500 BC.







The successful navigators that were circumnavigating the globe in vessels that had to sail at least 90 degrees off the wind circa 1000 BC would have been extremely disciplined and likely some of the most proficient astronomers and mathematicians on the planet at the time. It would be important for them to share the same navigational techniques/sky references with the societies they came in contact with. The first globes that survived and made into our current history were made from Ostrich Egg shells. But look at the top half of these Mexican Olmec statues that dated back to 1500 BC.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Hanslune

The DNA of Australian aboriginals is exactly the same as the original race living in South America. That's another big mystery.

That might be a "big mystery" to you but, since it's not even true, it's not a "big mystery" to people that know anything about the subject.

Harte

a reply to: Harte


As far as human migratory patterns go if they couldn't walk and had to use a raft it may just come down to probability.

Southern hemisphere latitudes may be a little more predictable since the katabatic winds rolling off Antarctica are a little more stable.

Unlike the northern polar vortex, the Antarctic polar vortex has a very consistent shape. This is because the northern hemisphere has big mountain ranges at the right latitudes to stir the air and interrupt the flow (the Rockies, the Alps and the Urals). The flatness of the southern hemisphere mid latitudes allows the polar vortex to hold its shape.

Polar vortex

originally posted by: fromunclexcommunicate

The successful navigators that were circumnavigating the globe in vessels that had to sail at least 90 degrees off the wind circa 1000 BC would have been extremely disciplined and likely some of the most proficient astronomers and mathematicians on the planet at the time. It would be important for them to share the same navigational techniques/sky references with the societies they came in contact with. The first globes that survived and made into our current history were made from Ostrich Egg shells. But look at the top half of these Mexican Olmec statues that dated back to 1500 BC.

Both pics are Mexican.
I wonder why you posted disinformation?
I also wonder why you don't post one of these ancient ostrich egg globes you claim exist.

Check that - I don't wonder.

Harte

originally posted by: fromunclexcommunicate
a reply to: Harte


As far as human migratory patterns go if they couldn't walk and had to use a raft it may just come down to probability.

Southern hemisphere latitudes may be a little more predictable since the katabatic winds rolling off Antarctica are a little more stable.

Unlike the northern polar vortex, the Antarctic polar vortex has a very consistent shape. This is because the northern hemisphere has big mountain ranges at the right latitudes to stir the air and interrupt the flow (the Rockies, the Alps and the Urals). The flatness of the southern hemisphere mid latitudes allows the polar vortex to hold its shape.

Polar vortex

So you assume they couldn't walk?
How'd they get around? Scooting on butts?

Harte

a reply to: fromunclexcommunicate

Polynesians were the best navigators and sailors, simply because they had vessels that were stable and fast, if they got into really bad weather the hulls would fill up and become more stable, being wood they would not sink and then could be bailed out to continue the voyage. They would have picked up the knowledge from somewhere else and used it. Boats would have had to be careened, so wey stations along various routes would have had to exist, these places would be where mathematical and practical knowledge would have been shared and picked up. Then one year the ships no longer came, could have been the bronze age collapse. Some cataclysm or other as their will always be somthing, just like Cook who picked up a Polynesian navigator who knew his way around the pacific ocean. Who could converse in the same language with people half a world away, suggests that not enough time had passed for the languages to be incomprehensible to the various parties? Something like that anyway. Tongan Navigators are still pretty good, simply because all their tech was in their heads and not in some instrument that will eventually stop working.

a reply to: Harte

The scurvy peg leg pirate stereotypes probably made all their incursions between boats so they didn't have to walk far.
Egyptians must have carried a barrel of dried limes on their longer expeditions.
I read somewhere that Egyptian limes and Key limes in Florida are the same "Citrus aurantifolia".
This is different than tahiti lime (Citrus latifolia).
Before the invention of the printing press I can understand the requirement of hiding the shared paradgm interpretations.
With modern search engines you would think there would be more people surviving the rabbit hole?

a reply to: fromunclexcommunicate

Add in date palms growing in Queensland that miraculously were there before the European settlers arrived. Sorta points to a different timeline.

a reply to: anonentity

Yeah that.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Hanslune

The DNA of Australian aboriginals is exactly the same as the original race living in South America. That's another big mystery. They could not have walked it, and neither could they swim the distance. As for the sweet potato, it was common in New Zealand as well. The time they arrived during an ice age, Which might suggest the area of their habitation don in Tierra del Fuego, might have gotten too cold so they looked for another place to live. I would surmise that the trade winds were different in latitude during the glaciated periods. Rush canoes similar to the ones on lake Titikaka were used in NZ as well.

I think you mis-understanding the DNA evidence. It doesn't show that the Australian went to SA. it shows"

A new study reveals this genetic signal is more prevalent throughout South America than thought and suggests the people who first carried these genes into the New World got it from an ancestral Siberian population.

The people who came to the the Americas shared ancestors with the same folks who later arrived in Australia

www.science.org...

Next, the researchers used software to test different scenarios that might have led to the current DNA dispersal. The best fit scenario involves some of the very earliest—possibly even the earliest—South American migrants carrying the Y signal with them, the researchers report today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Those migrants likely followed a coastal route, Hünemeier says, then split off into the central plateau and Amazon sometime between 15,000 and 8000 years ago. "[The data] match exactly what you'd predict if that were the case," Raff agrees.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: fromunclexcommunicate

Polynesians were the best navigators and sailors, simply because they had vessels that were stable and fast, if they got into really bad weather the hulls would fill up and become more stable, being wood they would not sink and then could be bailed out to continue the voyage. They would have picked up the knowledge from somewhere else and used it. Boats would have had to be careened, so wey stations along various routes would have had to exist, these places would be where mathematical and practical knowledge would have been shared and picked up. Then one year the ships no longer came, could have been the bronze age collapse. Some cataclysm or other as their will always be somthing, just like Cook who picked up a Polynesian navigator who knew his way around the pacific ocean. Who could converse in the same language with people half a world away, suggests that not enough time had passed for the languages to be incomprehensible to the various parties? Something like that anyway. Tongan Navigators are still pretty good, simply because all their tech was in their heads and not in some instrument that will eventually stop working.

You seem to have a skewed idea of when the Polynesians developed their deep sea navigation ability. You might want to check the timeline of their development. 1200 and 1150 BCE is the time for bronze age collapse.

www.costellohsie.info...

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: fromunclexcommunicate

Add in date palms growing in Queensland that miraculously were there before the European settlers arrived. Sorta points to a different timeline.

Phoenix dactylifera arrived in the 1890s what source is saying they were there prior? There are however over 50 varieties of Palms in Australia but as far I know the Pd were imported in the 19th century.

www.oznativeplants.com...

a reply to: xtrapsx

No one can "prove" they were being carved when the Europeans arrived. No one personally knows anyone that was there hundreds of years ago. Or if they embellished their "facts".

Plus, if they saw them "carving" the statues, why did they choose not to watch them move them? Apparently, that's still a mystery.

The explorer must be the same guy who wrote down that Egyptians were using dolerite pounders in Egypt to "cut" through andesite and red granite.

Anyone that says they know for sure what happened in our past is delusional.