UFOs / 'the Phenomenon' and "Machine Intelligence"

Hi Everyone; I haven't actually started a post in years. Why I don't
is a bit compex, but in this case, I find it appropriate.

First off, like I always say, I estimate that no less than 99% of
'strange stuff' that people see, is in fact dust bunnies, camera
aperature effects, simple perceptual error, self-deception,
and to top it all off, there's a very prolific and active CIA
deception campaign around 'UAP's'.

Sometimes I'm almost embarassed to write about genuine
research and experience regarding this '1% or less', when
we have to dig past all the deception.

Still... there's the tiniest sliver of something going on here,
at least in my experience. I might be wrong of course. God
knows, I do not wish to be someone's useful idiot --- that's
a very real concern...

So I want to discuss (so-called/apparent) (possibly) 'alien'
machine intelligence.

Now sure, that 'machine intelligence' might be 'us' from
an adjacent space-time, from 'the future', or some
deceiving life-form that has lived with us since forever...

This post does not focus upon exactly what the "machine
intelligence" might be, and it might even be a 'faux
machine intelligence'. It's a strange phenomenon for
sure.. but it seems to be deeply involved with MOST
'genuine' anomalous experinces, whether 'spiritual' or
'ufological' (I don't see any difference between the two'.

This post is really intended to spark discussion, not to
prove any such contention that a 'machine intelligence'
has existed since about forever, but just to get people
thinking about the Little Red Wagon, not the Contents
of the various wagons.

The first time I ran into a machine intelligence was
when I was 13 or so. I won't go into any details; I
don't want to fire up the imagination unduly. I
didn't know anything about computers at the time,
but it sounded 'like a robot talking'.

The next time I ran into a machine intelligence I
was 21. This was during my confrontation with
Benjamine Creme in front of thousands of attendees.
The 'machine intelligence' didn't show up until after
the fireworks at the stadium ended. Again, I don't
want to undly fire up anyone's imagination, but
the 'robot voices' involved a parrot and three
total individuals. (I will not be discussing this
further at this time).

The next time I ran into the machine intelligence
was when i was 50 or so; it was part of a 'binary
download I got' as part of my 2013 close encounter
of the fifth kind.

Now I dont talk about this 'binary download' as it
was pure rubbish. There's this extremely well-known
and documented syndrome, where the speech
centers in the brain become overstimuated and
this effect occurs. People who practice yoga
have known about it for like 2000 years.

If you get a 'binary download' it's rubbish.
100% of the time.

The next time I ran into 'the machine intelligence',
I was about 55 years old. I was attempting to
assist a person involved with 'skinwalker ranch'
and 'the machine intelligence' followed me home
and went after both myself and my wife. My
wife is 100% a 'non-believer' in ANYTHING; and
it tormented her too. (Machine voices were
erupting out of all our electronic devices, but
only if the power was on and the volume was
on.. so sure.. someone may have been
attempting to 'bennewitz us', crafting some
very clever computer virus that affected
computers, cell phones, other appliances,
and a cable television. I don't know.. that
seems like a pretty exotic 'prosaic explanation'.

After the 'machine intelligence' and I had a
little private conversation inside my skull,
it suddenly stopped. I suppose some might
wish to say this was a poltergeist type thing..

But again, I don't even want to discuss theories
regarding the 'contents' of the Little Red Wagon.

THAT IS THE DISTRACTION.

In another part of this post, I may discuss historical
data such as:

Valis from Philip K. Dick (he really did experience something
it wasn't just fiction).

The Lawrence Livermore Lab incident

Skinwalker Ranch Incidents

The Rendlesham Forest Incident

Charles Forte material

I suspect the list of such 'machine intelligence' events
is very long, but people just don't characterize it that
way..

Even pure 'spiritual stuff' may be pure 'machine intelligence
stuff'.

People get caught up in explanations.. they love their
explanations... I'm certain that I'll hear about Jesus
and Lucifer (a mistranslation from the Latin Vulgate)
and all sorts of 'non-starters' such as bone conduction
microwaves and the like. I'm pretty certain that
'machine voices' have been heard since long before
modern technology..

And no, this doesn't mean I'm an ancient astronauts
guy.. or someone attempting to justify 'the occult'
if that is not a legitimate approach.

I just wish to raise awareness, of this issue.. of a large
part of 'the Little Red Wagon' that doesn't get enough
discussion.

Maybe there is some fact of abnormal brain function
that comes out like this..

I guess, I'd like to fish out other stories of 'machine
intelligence' if others wish to share them.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

What do you mean with machine intelligence? I can only think of machine and deep learning, but I doubt that's what you got in mind.

Besides that and that's just a first thought that popped up in my mind: computer generated voices seems the easiest way if you got no, or don't want to use your own voice.
Does more suggest technological ability than identity, no?

Nice to see you're still around and haven't given up the hunt

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I recall reading about robotic voices during the Colares UFO flap in Brazil (cf. testimony of Captain Uyrangê Bolivar Soares Nogueira de Hollanda Lima who led the research).

Now in my opinion I must admit a robotic voice does sound a bit too obvious for a “machine intelligence” which makes me wonder why it actually sounds like that, but that’s a hard nut to crack if you haven’t actually heard it.

One way to create such an “effect” is by dropping the frequency of the audio (digital audio) or filtering/adjusting certain frequencies bands in the sound spectrum. For instance this can be caused by limited bandwidth or “sound refraction” caused by the sound going through different media. Maybe even because the sound had to be heavily slowed down before it is presented to us.

In all honesty I don’t know what to make of it (I had a huge BS alarm going off when I first read these things in witness descriptions), but you suggest it would be best to take this more seriously?

With earth being a closed system everything is connected and your list of subjects not to be discussed limits participation. That's like asking us to give you a recipe, but you can't mention any of the ingredients or instructions.

All I can say is I truly enjoy reading Charles Forte, and I hope you find the answers you are seeking.

a reply to: Peeple

My take is it actually suggests technological disability. When you master technology you could present the most beautiful voice ever made in an impeccable audio quality in stead of some garbled audio.

That’s what’s making this something truly bizar for me.

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

How so? If you're a purely spiritual being with no interface to use a machine you couldn't use a computer generated voice could you?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

If you haven't already, you might want to look into the story of Jack Sarfatti, theoretical physicist; it seems like it might have some parallels with your experiences. Here's how it started:

"Sarfatti insists that in 1952, at age 13, he had an anomalous experience that changed his life. He claims to have received a single telephone call from a cold, metallic voice, declaring to be a conscious computer on a spacecraft from the future. But, after Sarfatti lent his mother a copy of Andrija Puharich’s book URI (London: Futura Publications Ltd, 1974), in which he described similar contact with Uri Geller, Sarfatti’s mother remembered that the young Sarfatti received the calls over a three-week period. Sarfatti had been selected as one of ‘400 receptive young minds’ to be part of a project that would begin to occur 20 years in the future. He links this alleged ‘contact’ (“the intrusion of an objective entity”) to the Vast Active Living Intelligence System (VALIS) experience of science fiction author Phillip K. Dick."

esotericotherworlds.blogspot.com...

He's now convinced he knows how UFOs work:

www.altpropulsion.com...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I think we've discussed this in the past long ago, but there are certain substances that can open the "Doors of Perception"
And yes I encountered a machine intelligence via the spirit molecule. This probably isn't what you're referencing in this thread though.

Or the time my GF on I were discussing what kind of dog food to buy via cell phones and when I logged on the laptop first thing to pop up was an Alpo advert. Synchronicity, matrix glitch, algorithmic machine intelligence..? idk...perhaps Satan has stock in Purina.

Also Jung's collective unconscious; becoming conscious, springs to mind.

Inspiring thread btw.

a reply to: 1947boomer

If you haven't already, you might want to look into the story of Jack Sarfatti, theoretical physicist; it seems like it might have some parallels with your experiences. Here's how it started:

He's fascinating.

a reply to: Peeple

Hmmm, yes that’s an interesting take and you are right, it suggests some technological ability.

It’s just that for me when I’m thinking about “machine intelligences” and AI I’m more inclined to think that either you master something truly or you can’t do it at all. For something artificial with unlimited capabilities the time in between “zero to hero” would be extremely small (unless you couldn’t be bothered or it’s a matter of efficiency).

That’s some bias I have because of existing predictions on how fast a real artificial intelligence (created by us humans) would evolve and how quickly it would pass us in abilities during its learning fase (matter of hours).

I’d love to hear some different takes to expand my view on it cause I like to keep an open mind.

a reply to: Peeple

Again... you may be discussing the psychological operation
the 'phenomenon' plays, not the actual things itself.

I don't care about the technology of the illusion..

I'm interested in why the apparent metaphor.

The absurdity of it, is that a truly 'sneaky' supremely
intelligent 'machine intelligence' would not talk
like Robbie the Robot to 'hide itself'.

So the 'Robby the Robot' act is just that... an act..
for us primitive monkey's.

That's not saying it's not a genuine machine intelligence..

Kev

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

That's what I suggest.

Perhaps there's a time displacement effect going on here..
perhaps the 'machine intelligence' doesn't quite know what
it's talking to, that in 2022 we understand these sort of things..

the 'robot intelligence' is a grade D acting job.

And yet, other evidence seems to support that yes, indeed,
it seems to be an actual machine intelligence.

Now again.. if someone were to say something like this;

"Ok, well the universe is a quantum computer" (it really sort
of is), and maybe it's 'going crackers' ---- maybe it really is...

and you start talking about 'the demiurge' and what not...

Ok... so maybe that's productive, but I at last discovered that
demiurge angle per se at least, is a dead end.

It's good not to jump to premature conclusions..

I've been attemping to avoid that for more than 10 years now..

Kev

a reply to: nugget1

Discusss anything you like, it's a free country.

I just won't discuss standard, tired tropes with much enthusiasm.

a reply to: 1947boomer

Yes, sir/ma'am,

I'm familiar with that story.

Thank you for bringing it up.

People get twitchy if one discusses Uril Geller, stage magician,
so I don't discuss him. He also ran with Israeli intelligrence
services.. I tend to avoid discussing such individuals.

a reply to: olaru12

I think we've discussed this in the past long ago, but there are certain substances that can open the "Doors of Perception"
And yes I encountered a machine intelligence via the spirit molecule. This probably isn't what you're referencing in this thread though.

I'm actually very open to 'machine elves'.

I personally feel the case for the Universe being a somewhat
(or very) aware 'quantum computer' is pretty solid..

and in such a case,

'machine elves' sensed while 'high' could well be parts of
the physical universe.

I don't see any differene beween the physical universe
and a 'spiritual universe'; I feel it's all one and the
same stuff.

quantum mechanics entangled, to cause emergent space/time..
it's standard physics specualtion these days.. with some recent
tests showing there is probalby somehing to it.

I know that I said, that I didn't want to discuss the 'contents of the wagon'
so much a the wagon; and I understand and sympathise how difficult
that is.. I know we will wind up discussing contents too.. it's impossible
to avoid..

And while I'm fond of the partially aware Unvierse model, I'm not saying
that's necessarily the correct model.

but it's not discussed enough...

Here's a nice little video on a related topic..

Does the Universe Create Itself

and it's from PBS. This is not woo, though it is partially speculation.

I think that physics might uncover the answer to 'ufos and the paranormal'
by accident, as a simple side effect to more traditional research.

Kev

Thumbs up for the Charles Fort name drop

I'm not especially researching any more.. I think that I've
taken it as far as I can go.. I'm in a documentation phase
right now.. everything I'm writing is going to a special
archive at a University.

Not to say that it's all so rooty pooh wonderful.. but that's
where it's going.

and things I don't write about openly, will be unsealed after
I die.. and/or available to a very short list of researchers
that I trust.

Hopefully science will get where it needs to go, and my
own modest contribution won't even be necessary.

Kev

originally posted by: TheAlleghenyGentleman
Thumbs up for the Charles Fort name drop

Always.

We build upon the shoulders of giants.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
Hmmmmm...Everything just might be some form of "Software Without Hardware ?" Or is that what they want us to think ?