Russia Invaded Ukraine - IMO This Should NOT be called the RUSSIA-UKRAINE WAR.

a reply to: shaemac

Lets not forget russia is killing civilians, including reports of rape.

While, yes, zelensky allowing nazis and criminals to fight and possibly turning a cheek to their war crimes, NONE of this would be happening if Russia invaded.

And Russia is doing plenty war crimes themselves.

But judging by your posts, you believe this a just war. F*ck the civilians getting raoed and killed. They deserve it in your opinion eh?

a reply to: shaemac

The left wants to paint Russia and Putin as the bad guy while propping up a Soros backed actor that was put in place by a criminal called Kolomoisky. Why?

Just the left?

Which admin started providing lethal aid?

How many Republicans in government are actually pushing back against the ratcheting up of US support?

Just like when Bush was in power, and people blamed only the right on going to war, both parties vote almost everything ahead.

Trump even said Biden isn't doing enough. Going so far to ellude we should give drone support.

originally posted by: shaemac

Ukraine has been attacking and killing Russians for years.
Ukraine has been antagonizing Russia for years.
Russia said ENOUGH and hit back. They felt their security was at risk, especially with Ukraine begging for NATO membership.

Not sure why this is so hard to comprehend.

Ukraine government has created a cesspool of a criminal safe haven for the vile elite of this world. Eff them.

Putin has been fueling his proxy war since 2014 paying alt right nationalist mercs to do his dirty work. Putin started it all off and now complains they fought back, isn't that the same thing he is bitching about now in how dare they fight back?

I have asked this question a few times and no answer. When would NATO ever attack Russia unprovoked?

originally posted by: CptGreenTea
a reply to: pheonix358

"Russia is not the aggressor"

Meanwhile im seeing videos of russians shelling cities and doing a mass scale invasion.

That russian koolaid must be good.

I want what they are smoking over there ,

Russia : Shells towns back to the stone age , causing mountains of civilians to die in the progress.

Ukraine : attacks a few Russian targets.

Russia : thats not allowed.

Russians are bad losers , after the sunken black sea flagship due to incompetence from the russian navy you got folks on Russian tv demanding kyiv to be carpet bombed.

If you don't want to get wet don't stand in the rain.

Pathetic display them russian crying like little babies after a few towns got hit all the while they have been doing the same thing 100 times worse.

Here's a pretty good article I read not that long ago that kinda covers what everyone in this thread has been debating...

lieber.westpoint.edu...

Take it for what it is but I think it lays things out pretty well.

a reply to: shaemac

Ukraine has been attacking and killing Russians for years.
Ukraine has been antagonizing Russia for years.

Where exactly was this?

They felt their security was at risk,.....

How exactly was Russia's 'security at risk'?
By whom and with what?

.... especially with Ukraine begging for NATO membership.

But they'd been denied membership and it was highly unlikely it was ever going to be granted, for several reasons.

Not sure why this is so hard to comprehend.

No, neither do I?

Ukraine government has created a cesspool of a criminal safe haven for the vile elite of this world. Eff them.

Whilst the Russian administration under Putin is a paragon of virtue?
Not a gangster, criminal or ex-KGB spook in sight.

Question everything. EVERYTHING.

Obviously that doesn't apply to the Russian propaganda machine.

originally posted by: shaemac

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: carewemust

Since the invasion began, Ukraine's military and citizen-volunteers, have been doing their best to REPEL the Russian military.

Not too many people still believe Ukrainian military and civilians are actually fighting. Most are now beginning to believe that far more trained professionals from other nations are actually fighting.

And once again....LET US NOT FORGET...........Zelensky released criminals from his prisons and handed them weapons and sent them out to do whatever the hell they wanted across the country. And then there is the ultra violent n@zis running around that even Zelensky supports - as long as they are fighting.

But hey, let's shed a tear for this twisted propagandized clown show.

Indeed you’re the propaganda clown show

Russia illegally annexed those regions, but don’t worry the world can definitely go there again, and it’s great you openly support imperialism, let’s all just ignore the rules and go ape carving up new conquest right? Wow

Ukraine democratically voted for closer ties with the EU/West, who would have thought after hundreds of years of being under Russian aggression and bloodshed they’d unanimously chose to join other Eastern Europe states or ex soviet states in a democratic system? I mean screw democracy, nobody has the right to self determination in the 21st century, if I don’t like other country moving away from my spheres of influence BINGO I’ll bomb them senseless and just take the bloody country BRAVO

Russia illegally invaded and occupied regions with Russian speaking populations PERIOD

Prior to that there was ZERO referendum requests, or even a peep of locals requesting independence or succession NADA ZIP ZILCH it was all done by invading with overwhelming force, finding Russian speaking Ukrainians who prefer Russia and holding a faux referendum, im sure it was free and fair election, I mean why wouldn’t it be? Nobody even come out to vote other than those who wasn’t scared of being shot with Russian troops guarding the streets stomping out pro Ukrainians

What planet are you people on?

And fast forward today… prior to Russias new invasion Putin on the night of invasion including Russian duma stated unequivocally that Ukraine doesn’t even exist as a nation, oh we’ve heard all that before, in fact Ukraine and other Eastern Europe countries have heard that same old imperialist claim for a 1000 years

But anyway, GOOD you’ve chose the society and world you’d like to live in, let’s hope nobody steal your country and bombs your women and children to ashes

A classic if I can’t have her nobody can mentality Of despotic dictators

originally posted by: TheGreazel

Russia : Shells towns back to the stone age , causing mountains of civilians to die in the progress.

And a good number is the so called Russians they are "trying to save". Who makes this crap up?

the usa have been doing this kind of thing in the middle east for years .

a reply to: carewemust

In the real world this is the definition of war:

"a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state."

Which of the conditions listed in that definition are not being met ?

its a mess

the USA used its weight and NATO to create a Russia threat out of Ukraine leadership.

Russia had to intervene by military force to deconstruct the Ukraine the West had created out of a once peaceful Ukraine... Russia too has a implied 'Monroe Doctrine' that the USA adopted in the early years of the Republic

now, after the conflict has started, the Ukraine president who once was non-aggressive is constantly pleading for more and better weapons ---? to attack Russia instead of jut repelling the invasion forces ?

I think Vlodomer of Ukraine want to transform Ukraine into a copy of North Korea with ICBMs

A War State bristling with advanced technology and screw rebuilding infrastructure leveled by the Russians trying to prevent Ukraine becoming an active aggressor sharing a frontier border with Putin-Lands

originally posted by: shaemac

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shaemac

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: carewemust

Since the invasion began, Ukraine's military and citizen-volunteers, have been doing their best to REPEL the Russian military.

Not too many people still believe Ukrainian military and civilians are actually fighting. Most are now beginning to believe that far more trained professionals from other nations are actually fighting.

What happened to Ukraine's military personnel? They didn't throw in the towel and leave Ukraine did they? The missiles that hit and sunk the Russian warship last week were reportedly launched by the Ukraine military.

Or from NATO....?
Question everything. EVERYTHING.

Like the doom spewed by the media about Covid, 95% of the new media is parroting whatever Zelenskyy says, and the other 5% is afraid to question anything he says.

So, when we "QUESTION EVERYTHING", what is a good alternative source for learning what MAY be the truth, pertaining any given claim/statement coming from the 90% of news media?

Watch this guy. Gonzalo Lira

He lives in Ukraine. He is America, but got sick of the bull# here and lives there with is Ukrainian wife. He knows a lot of people and is highly educated on the history of Russia and Ukraine. He is right in the middle of EVERYTHING happening. You can actually learn a LOT from him that you will not learn from the media.

His other YT channel.
Red Pill Coach

Gonzalo Lira has been missing for the last 2 days, he was supposed to also be doing an interview but never showed, still no word

a reply to: carewemust

Does this mean that what happened in Iraq wasn't actually a war then?

originally posted by: shaemac
a reply to: carewemust

Ukraine has been attacking and killing Russians for years.
Ukraine has been antagonizing Russia for years.
Russia said ENOUGH and hit back. They felt their security was at risk, especially with Ukraine begging for NATO membership.

Not sure why this is so hard to comprehend.

Ukraine government has created a cesspool of a criminal safe haven for the vile elite of this world. Eff them.

It’s easy to comprehend, no one believes it though.
Probably because it’s desperate propaganda , and here you are supporting ex kgb deskjockey Vlad.

originally posted by: shaemac

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: carewemust

Since the invasion began, Ukraine's military and citizen-volunteers, have been doing their best to REPEL the Russian military.

Not too many people still believe Ukrainian military and civilians are actually fighting. Most are now beginning to believe that far more trained professionals from other nations are actually fighting.

And once again....LET US NOT FORGET...........Zelensky released criminals from his prisons and handed them weapons and sent them out to do whatever the hell they wanted across the country. And then there is the ultra violent n@zis running around that even Zelensky supports - as long as they are fighting.

But hey, let's shed a tear for this twisted propagandized clown show.

Damn lady you are brainwashed a bit?

a reply to: carewemust



Some go even farther and call it 'russia's brutal invasion of Ukraine in an effort to steal land'.

a reply to: CptGreenTea

While, yes, zelensky allowing nazis and criminals to fight and possibly turning a cheek to their war crimes, NONE of this would be happening if Russia invaded.

They have been doing it for over 8 years. they are not new. They are some of the same people that initiated the coup.

They are the ones who threatened Zelensky's life if he tried to make peace with Donbas.

How many countries can you name where a military leader can threaten to kill the president publicly on record if he didn't do as they say and be completely free of repercussions?

Who is really in charge? The guy that was elected or the guys with all the weapons?

On top of that RF forces captured OSCE monitoring stations and equipment that contained video files in the monitoring station camera flash drives that show the OSCE was feeding targeting coordinates to UA battalions by Donbas. As well as a captured OSCE laptop containing some of the same files except with the communications.

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a reply to: Grimpachi


"They have been doing it for over 8 years"



The same 8 years that russia has been trying to steal land from Ukraine.

Ukraine is allowed to defend itself.

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: shaemac

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shaemac

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: carewemust

Since the invasion began, Ukraine's military and citizen-volunteers, have been doing their best to REPEL the Russian military.

Not too many people still believe Ukrainian military and civilians are actually fighting. Most are now beginning to believe that far more trained professionals from other nations are actually fighting.

What happened to Ukraine's military personnel? They didn't throw in the towel and leave Ukraine did they? The missiles that hit and sunk the Russian warship last week were reportedly launched by the Ukraine military.

Or from NATO....?
Question everything. EVERYTHING.

Like the doom spewed by the media about Covid, 95% of the new media is parroting whatever Zelenskyy says, and the other 5% is afraid to question anything he says.

So, when we "QUESTION EVERYTHING", what is a good alternative source for learning what MAY be the truth, pertaining any given claim/statement coming from the 90% of news media?

Watch this guy. Gonzalo Lira

He lives in Ukraine. He is America, but got sick of the bull# here and lives there with is Ukrainian wife. He knows a lot of people and is highly educated on the history of Russia and Ukraine. He is right in the middle of EVERYTHING happening. You can actually learn a LOT from him that you will not learn from the media.

His other YT channel.
Red Pill Coach

Gonzalo Lira has been missing for the last 2 days, he was supposed to also be doing an interview but never showed, still no word

Yup, this was his last message.

Flashback to February 19, 2022

President Biden says, "I AM CONVINCED PUTIN HAS DECIDED TO INVADE UKRAINE."

Source: apnews.com...

The invasion commenced a few days later, on February 24th.

Military Experts and Congressmen are now asking, "If Biden knew, why didn't he ship a few billion dollars of weapons to Ukraine at that time? Why is he rushing to play catch-up now? Thousands of lives have been lost due to his lack of leadership!"

Source: www.foxnews.com...