Did the RINOS and the left conspire about the desired trajectory of the 2020 election

Saw this elsewhere and since it's Sunday, and we get bombarded with divergent op/ed pieces, here's another one.

Did the RINOS and the left conspire about the desired trajectory of the 2020 election?

Have seen other rumblings it was deeper than this, but there it is in a nutshell, what are the chances this happened? We would be incredibly naive to think such things weren't at least discussed privately and floated around in certain circles. DC is built on deal-making and compromises, I could definitely see RINOS attempting this maneuver, the question is how much did they do this, and to what depth was this discussed.

Is there more to this? were their secret deals and a nod and a wink here and there? was a deal made and now the RINOS have buyer's remorse?

I do not know one way or the other, but it's an interesting premise, is it really too far-fetched? and should it bother us if it's true?

would love to hear ATS's opinion and comments

I am sick of this idiot.

How can anyone think Biden would return us to normal.

Enough of this fool...

I think the problem is the folks that have enable Trump to go rouge to hijack the country in the first place.

Then they refuse to bar him from running and now they are trying to use politics to make it politically unpopular to arrest a criminal.

a reply to: putnam6

when you actually dig into the money side of this, the power side of this, you find the same names associated with China and other money laundering mechanisms. Mitt is just another influence peddler along with Joey. Have kids so you can send them to pick up the bags.

If nobodies on ATS can put the pieces of this puzzle with the (3-7 years) on the label, you would think some media outlet would care enough to do a little digging and find some of the same things.

I suppose that is just more proof that the entire system is corrupt and owned, and we haven't a chance against it.
In short, yes, BAMN was real, and they acted on it.

as I have said, (and for fear of mod action, I'll say it again) if it's not reported on, it never happened. Clown world.

RINOS, Democrats and America in general have buyers remorse. Members of his own Party are starting to distance themselves, because Joe has made such a mess of things and he picked the absolute worst he possibly could for VP.

Joe is just not fit for the job and I think they knew that going in, but hoped they could prop him up long enough to push their agenda through. His first year was supposed to be a rubber stamp on anything the Dems wanted, but they didn't count on the pushback from Republicans.

As Joe continues his downhill slide, I predict we will see less and less of him and more of Kamala [ with Pelosi, Schumer Clinton, Obama et al pulling the strings ]

originally posted by: whyamIhere
I am sick of this idiot.

How can anyone think Biden would return us to normal.

Enough of this fool...

The more I read about back-channel dealings and discussions in DC, during flashpoints in just our modern history I believe this more and more. It's obvious there is a lot of truth in this statement. Is it that hard to extrapolate that in times of 'crisis' and especially when there is no clear majority, TPTB would get together and say how can we make this go like we need it to go.

You know like a conspiracy...

I agree with, ouch ouch, Romney. I didn't want Clinton and I didn't want Biden, but the Republican Party left me with little choice. Vote for someone from the very visible establishment or vote for a fraud of an entertainer hoping to make more money off of conning conservative voters.

Of course there were individuals within the Republican Party who discussed campaigning against Trump, as our OP suggests it would be silly for us to not understand this.

We can also easily understand the Democrat program, take back the power from Trump and his Republican followers and absorb the rest of the Republican Party into their established trajectory but just let them keep the R in front of their names.

We can also understand the moderate Republican program. If it takes 4 years of dumb Democrats under a foolish career Democrat whose history is one of failure to take down Trump and at the same time prove to America that the Democrats are worthless in power then that is two birds with one stone. Makes perfect sense to me that the old establishment Republicans could and would do this.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

makes you wonder how Joey was the best they could come up with. Almost as if it were planned that way.

Former speaker of the House Paul Ryan along with vice president-elect Mike pence conspired to damage president trump.

There are email to that effect. Some may still be out there and not scrubbed off the internet.

a reply to: gpols

What legitimate grounds does anyone have to keep the Mean Orange Man” from running for office… legitimate crimes against humanity have been carried out for the last two years by democrats and RINO’s and your concern is that not enough is being done to keep an individual from participating in a rigged popularity contest… you are what is wrong with this country… go away… and stay there…

originally posted by: gpols
I think the problem is the folks that have enable Trump to go rouge to hijack the country in the first place.

Then they refuse to bar him from running and now they are trying to use politics to make it politically unpopular to arrest a criminal.

Yeah, that didn't start with Trump.




and then we have this...

www.fbi.gov... -a-personal-e-mail-system

From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received.

but wait...isn't that illegal ?

Our investigation looked at whether there is evidence classified information was improperly stored or transmitted on that personal system, in violation of a federal statute making it a felony to mishandle classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way

Where are Lerner and Clinton these days ?

The RINO's bought the Democrat hype about Trump. Now they're realizing Joe's handlers are just hard core National Socialists and they are trying to fix it so Republicans can never retake the Presidency, the House, and the Senate. The only Tumult during the Trump years was from Democrats and the Deep State afraid after 8 years of Trump they would never get a shot at government offices.

If it wasn't for Covid ol' pudding pants would probably be in a rest home by now.

The establishment, which is made up of Republicans and Democrats, worked together to remove Trump from the presidency. I wouldn't use the term "conspired" because they did it in the open (and continue too) and their is nothing wrong with their actions from a ethical point of view. No man deserves nor should expect 100% support from his political party all of the time.

Walking away from the deal each side of the establishment got what they wanted. Democrats got a year to push through as much federal legislation as they could before they would lose congress. Establishment Republicans got ride of Trump and the disruption he was causing to their establishment.

Trumps wing of the Republican party was simply not savy enough to survive the battle.

originally posted by: gpols
I think the problem is the folks that have enable Trump to go rouge to hijack the country in the first place.

Then they refuse to bar him from running and now they are trying to use politics to make it politically unpopular to arrest a criminal.

I left Trump's name out about this on purpose, mostly because it's not about whatever the motivation was, it's just that it sounds like it's all a charade and when it suits enough their common needs they will make back-channel deals.

My point is to do this with some transparency? if their decisions are for our own collective good, shouldn't they be able to withstand the scrutiny it deserves?

originally posted by: dandandat2
The establishment, which is made up of Republicans and Democrats, worked together to remove Trump from the presidency. I wouldn't use the term "conspired" because they did it in the open (and continue too) and their is nothing wrong with their actions from a ethical point of view. No man deserves nor should expect 100% support from his political party all of the time.

Walking away from the deal each side of the establishment got what they wanted. Democrats got a year to push through as much federal legislation as they could before they would lose congress. Establishment Republicans got ride of Trump and the disruption he was causing to their establishment.

Trumps wing of the Republican party was simply not savy enough to survive the battle.

Sounds like a solid assessment to the situation, but open? really? got any links any backup showing this? pretty much none of this was in the "open" if it was it should be easy to find links and articles this isn't ancient history. Where's the article "Pelosi, Romney, and Graham sit down and discuss the election headline? I mean damn we knew when Pelosi went and got her her hair shampooed>

a reply to: putnam6
Every other election in history a winner was determined before the sun came up on Nov. 4.
Mail in voting achieved the impossible.

It put someone too scared to come out from his basement to campaign for the white house in the white house.

a reply to: putnam6

We might get a clue to the future during the 22 midterms. Will trumps support of his handpicked GOP candidates help or hurt the Republicans? I still have hope for the election process.

Even though it's corporate support that ultimately decides the outcome.

I've already started working for a producer as a media geek crafting local GOP campaign ads. They pay much better than the dembs. I have no illusions that that money isn't from the gas and oil biz; will it help? time will tell.

originally posted by: loveguy
Every other election in history a winner was determined before the sun came up on Nov. 4.

You might want to pick up a history book or three before you get schooled over that blatant lie.

originally posted by: loveguy
a reply to: putnam6
Every other election in history a winner was determined before the sun came up on Nov. 4.
Mail in voting achieved the impossible.

It put someone too scared to come out from his basement to campaign for the white house in the white house.

I know there hasn't been any solid evidence proven, but Im not gonna lie the statistical nerd in me is bothered by the trajectory of the votes late in the morning in certain states. You just don't see those abrupt changes in trajectory after you have so many votes already in.

At that point, it's extremely unlikely to overtake an election that way, it would have been a more gradual rise over a long period

We see it when analyzing COVID data all the time now, what do people say? well, not all the data is in. True but even when it does come in there are not usually such large shifts in the plots on a graph.

for example, now any data about vaccinated vs unvaxxed is about that 65/35 ratio as soon as you get over a wide enough swath

originally posted by: gpols
I think the problem is the folks that have enable Trump to go rouge to hijack the country in the first place.

Then they refuse to bar him from running and now they are trying to use politics to make it politically unpopular to arrest a criminal.

Exactly where and how did he go “rouge”, as you call it?…..to “hijack” the country?
It’s “rogue”, by the way.
And hijack the country from who?…the rotten mother F’ers that are intent on destroying it?

Please come back and give us your totally misinformed take on these questions.