Was HIV coded into Covid-19 in a Wuhan Lab

The first few weeks of Covid I remember a couple of scientists from India I believe claiming they had found code of HIV Aids in the Covid-19.

This was taken off line in days and thus they the Internet overlords began the take down of what the authorities claim is any fake news regarding Covid.

So here are the,

4 STAGES OF HIV INFECTION -

Stage 1: INFECTION

HIV quickly replicates in the body after infection. Some people develop short lived flu-like symptoms for example, headaches, fever, sore throat and a rash within days to weeks after infection. During this time the immune system reacts to the virus by developing antibodies.

Stage 2: ASYMPTOMATIC

As the name suggests, this stage of HIV infection does not cause outward signs or symptoms. A person may look and feel well but HIV is continuing to weaken their immune system. This stage may last several years (an average of 8 to 10 years) and without a HIV test many people do not know they are infected.

Stage 3: SYMPTOMATIC

Over time the immune system becomes damaged and weakened by HIV and symptoms develop. Initially they can be mild but they do worsen, symptoms include fatigue, weight loss, mouth ulcers, thrush and severe diarrhoea. The symptoms are caused by the emergence of opportunistic infections; they are referred to as opportunistic infections because they take advantage of a person’s weakened immune system.

Stage 4: AIDS/Progression of HIV to AIDS

There is no single test for AIDS; doctors will look at a variety of symptoms including the CD4 count, the viral load and the presence of opportunistic infections in order to make an AIDS diagnosis

Although HIV disease progression is described in stages, it is not inevitable that a person will go from Stage 1 Infection to Stage 4 AIDS. There is treatment available that can prevent a person developing AIDS and deal with the symptoms of HIV infection. There are a number of people living with HIV who have not developed AIDS even without medical intervention, these people are referred to as ‘long-term non progressors’ and have been subject to much research in the hope of finding more information about their immune systems.


So it seems that HIV as well as being claimed to have been engineered into Covid-19 in a Lab has the exact same symptoms as Covid-19.

Lets take this a step further, How are HIV and AIDS treated?

The most effective treatment for HIV is antiretroviral therapy. This is a combination of several medicines that aims to control the amount of virus in your body. Antiretroviral medicines slow the rate at which the virus grows. Taking these medicines can reduce the amount of virus in your body and help you stay healthy.


So we have a Virus escaped from a gain of function Lab, claimed early to have HIV inserted, information taken immediately offline and now have Governments all around the world demanding the population gets Vaccinated with medicines every six months.

All contrary information to what the authorities claim is FAKE, and taken offline.

Anyone else have Alarm bells ringing !

a reply to: blaenau2000
And in 8-10 years from COVID we are in agenda 2030 territory.

Well at least they are punctual


Edit: I apologise, looking at agenda 30, it says "all nations are working together to end poverty in all its forms and dimensions"

So they are trying to make us all wealthy really, that's easy... If you wipe out the 99%

very goid post
remember l saud something is in this vaccine

a reply to: blaenau2000
It was a group of Italian scientists in a bio lab. 16 of them all women bar one.
It hit UK news end of April perhaps May last year then was 'disappeared'.
I think you are right that it is Indian scientists who have 'resurrected' it.
In the time frame between it is some of the 'other' Dr's that have talked about it, but we know what happens to them.
Rainbows
Jane
PS, I believe it was a 'part' of the HIV not the whole HIV, which set the alarm bell's off that this was a bio-weapon as this is impossible in nature.

No, they’re way too different. HIV is a retrovirus that needs to bring in reverse transcriptase (RNA Dependent DNA Polymerase which generates DNA from an RNA template) and integrase (which inserts viral DNA into a gene) packaged into its capsid. It follows a different pathway to mRNA. RNA —> DNA —> mRNA.

When it’s converted into DNA it (RT) creates a pro virus that is integrated into euchromatin or active genes. Integrase uses cellular proteins like LEDGF and others to target active genes and plant the HIV pro virus right into the middle of that gene so it can actively generate RNA. It has long terminal repeat regions on both sides to help this process and then uses TAT/TAR to increase generation of more viral genes, especially during CD4 stimulation and positive feedback pathways. This is in the nucleus of the cell.

Coronavirus follows the RNA —> (-)RNA —-> mRNA pathway. It uses RdRp which is an RNA dependent RNA polymerase. It generates RNA from an RNA template. We know this because they often test for a conserved active site in RdRp that has 2 aspartic acids preceded by a serine or tyrosine if I remember correctly. The coronavirus genome is also (+) which means it can be treated as mRNA upon entry and immediately generate RdRp using host cell ribosomes.This is in the cytoplasm of the cell.

Both viruses do use genes that push the cell into S phase. They do access the nucleus. Think of this like overclocking the cell so it has the capacity and the resources to generate viral genes and then associated proteins. A resting cell does not have this capability and HIV does weird things with cell cycles compared to other viruses.

The virus has limited space and is very dependent on certain genes. Coronavirus generates other proteins when it is generating (-) RNA before mRNA that depend on this when it produces subgenomic RNA in discontinuous transcription. Highly dependent on leader and transcriptional regulatory sequences that really can’t be interfered with.

What exactly do you think they used from HIV and incorporated into SARS-CoV-2?

Coronavirus could attack immune system like HIV by targeting protective cells, warn scientists Published: 5:30am, 12 Apr, 2020 Updated: 7:12am, 15 Apr, 2020

. . . Researchers in China and the US find that the virus that causes Covid-19 can destroy the T cells that are supposed to protect the body from harmful invaders
. . . One doctor said concern is growing in medical circles that effect could be similar to HIV The coronavirus that causes Covid-19 could kill the powerful immune cells that are supposed to kill the virus instead, scientists have warned. The surprise discovery, made by a team of researchers from Shanghai and New York, coincided with frontline doctors’ observation that Covid-19 could attack the human immune system and cause damage similar to that found in HIV patients.
. . . In February, Chen Yongwen and his colleagues at the PLA’s Institute of Immunology released a clinical report warning that the number of T cells could drop significantly in Covid-19 patients, especially when they were elderly or required treatment in intensive care units. The lower the T cell count, the higher the risk of death. This observation was later confirmed by autopsy examinations on more than 20 patients, whose immune systems were almost completely destroyed, according to mainland media reports.

LINK

March 23, 2020 Journal article Open Access WUHAN COVID-19 SYNTHETIC ORIGINS AND EVOLUTION Jean-Claude PEREZ
The main result of this updated release is the formal proof that 2019-nCoV coronavirus is partially a SYNTHETIC genome . . . Finally, we ask ourselves the question of a possible artificial origin of this genome, in particular because of the presence of fragments of HIV1, HIV2 and SIV retroviruses.

LINK

a reply to: blaenau2000

I remember the reports of C19 containing HIV proteins or something to that effect.

Thank you for staying on alert because their has been so much BS thrown around about this virus that old truths have been easy to bury.

Of course I know that it isn't an accident. Confusion is a staple of propaganda.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Similar receptor binding targets that work would be evolutionarily conserved across species and pathogens because of protein structures. Similarity in target does not mean they took genes and added them it also means it can’t be ruled out. However, you just can’t add genes and make them work it doesn’t work that way at all, especially in a virus which is at the mercy of its environment. I just don’t see evidence of anything useful from HIV in SARS-CoV-2 or see evidence of it in the genome. There would have to be some protein or binding target that helps arrest cyclin signaling or receptor binding and it’s not there.

Lymphopenia in patients that are older, have decreased thymus and bone marrow function, have comorbidities, and other problems makes perfect sense with many viruses. I remember about the T-cell exhaustion research. It’s because of the receptor target and the cells involved, resulting signaling, and being infected, not because they added random genes from HIV. Combine that with granulocyte activation and signaling going crazy with the loss of T-cell function, and you could have a dead host very quickly as alternate complement pathways become self sustaining and granulocytes from the innate immune response kill the host through inflammatory signaling and damage.

SARS-CoV-2 and others can incorporate via transposable elements like LINE-1, it doesn’t necessarily even need RT. Not to mention it’s genome lacks markers that serve as regulatory and stop sites for RT to use with RNA/DNA strong stop etc.

I think we should be asking ourselves what is it about COVID that has governments scared crapless about it enough to go all tyrannical enough to make vaccines against it MANDATORY for the entire population. Or is it all just a naked power grab that everyone with a little bit of power wanting TOTAL power?

What is the "why" in what is going on?

a reply to: Rich Z
Spot on!
Rainbows
Jane

originally posted by: blaenau2000
The first few weeks of Covid I remember a couple of scientists from India I believe claiming they had found code of HIV Aids in the Covid-19.

This was taken off line in days and thus they the Internet overlords began the take down of what the authorities claim is any fake news regarding Covid.

So here are the,

4 STAGES OF HIV INFECTION -

Stage 1: INFECTION

HIV quickly replicates in the body after infection. Some people develop short lived flu-like symptoms for example, headaches, fever, sore throat and a rash within days to weeks after infection. During this time the immune system reacts to the virus by developing antibodies.

Stage 2: ASYMPTOMATIC

As the name suggests, this stage of HIV infection does not cause outward signs or symptoms. A person may look and feel well but HIV is continuing to weaken their immune system. This stage may last several years (an average of 8 to 10 years) and without a HIV test many people do not know they are infected.

Stage 3: SYMPTOMATIC

Over time the immune system becomes damaged and weakened by HIV and symptoms develop. Initially they can be mild but they do worsen, symptoms include fatigue, weight loss, mouth ulcers, thrush and severe diarrhoea. The symptoms are caused by the emergence of opportunistic infections; they are referred to as opportunistic infections because they take advantage of a person’s weakened immune system.

Stage 4: AIDS/Progression of HIV to AIDS

There is no single test for AIDS; doctors will look at a variety of symptoms including the CD4 count, the viral load and the presence of opportunistic infections in order to make an AIDS diagnosis

Although HIV disease progression is described in stages, it is not inevitable that a person will go from Stage 1 Infection to Stage 4 AIDS. There is treatment available that can prevent a person developing AIDS and deal with the symptoms of HIV infection. There are a number of people living with HIV who have not developed AIDS even without medical intervention, these people are referred to as ‘long-term non progressors’ and have been subject to much research in the hope of finding more information about their immune systems.


So it seems that HIV as well as being claimed to have been engineered into Covid-19 in a Lab has the exact same symptoms as Covid-19.

Lets take this a step further, How are HIV and AIDS treated?

The most effective treatment for HIV is antiretroviral therapy. This is a combination of several medicines that aims to control the amount of virus in your body. Antiretroviral medicines slow the rate at which the virus grows. Taking these medicines can reduce the amount of virus in your body and help you stay healthy.


So we have a Virus escaped from a gain of function Lab, claimed early to have HIV inserted, information taken immediately offline and now have Governments all around the world demanding the population gets Vaccinated with medicines every six months.

All contrary information to what the authorities claim is FAKE, and taken offline.

Anyone else have Alarm bells ringing !

There is a portion of the HIV virus that was added to SARS-COV-2. It is called the HIV-LTR. LTR is the long terminal repeat. In college, I did an internship in a biology lab where we were conducting research on the HIV-LTR.

www.pnas.org...
"About 32% of SARS-CoV-2 sequences (6/21 integration events in Nanopore, 4/10 in Illumina data) were integrated at LINEs, short interspersed nuclear elements, or long terminal repeat elements without evidence for a LINE1 recognition site, suggesting that there may be an alternative reverse transcription/integration mechanism, possibly similar to that reported for cells acutely infected with LCMV, which resulted in integrated LCMV sequences fused to intracisternal A-type particle (IAP) sequences (29)."

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
"4.1.1 Human endogenous retroviruses (HERVs). HERVs are DNA sequences originated from recurrent integrations of the previous exogenous retrovirus [26, 27]. HERVs are one type of highly conserved transposable elements (TE). TE and HERVS make up 40 and 8% of our genome consecutively [28]. HERVs were first detected in the human genome in the 1970s [29]. HERVs are classified into three main groups; I (gamaretrovirus and epsilonretrovirus-like), II (betaretrovirus-like), III (spumaretrovirus-like) based on their phylogenetic relationship [30, 31]. Their integration allowed the vertical transmission of retroviral genomes along with the human genome across generation [32]. HERVs are inserted in the genome through the reverse transcription of viral RNA producing a double stranded DNA (provirus) using the viral reverse transcriptase [33] and then the integration of the provirus in the host genome by the viral integrase and other host proteins [34]. Integrated copies can be activated and become active infection. After integration, the proviral DNA produce mRNA that encodes for various viral proteins or reverse transcribed by viral reverse transcriptase into proviral DNA that has the capability of new integration cycle. HERVs have similar structure to exogenous retroviruses that is comprised of two long terminal repeats (LTRs) with internal gag (matrix protein), pro-pol (protease, reverse transcriptase, and integrase), env (envelope) viral genes [32]. Beside these main retroviral proteins, some retroviruses produce extra proteins. Accordingly, the env gene of the HERV-K encodes two different protein variants (np9, rec) using its full sequence or the 292 bp deficient variant respectively [25]."

a reply to: blaenau2000

I would not be surprised, forget the claim that HIV is a natural disease that has been around for thousands of years in primates because it took so long to find that out it can not possibly be the truth OR they would have found it decades before.

I had a (professor with) double PHD and other qualification professor in college in the UK whom had turned down multiple attempts to head hunt him by Big Pharma mostly from the US because he disagreed with them and there greed and was a member of and researcher for Green Peace (Dr/Professor Paul Reeves I heard last that he was in poor health and retired to the Isle of Man, a good man and he cared about his students immensely and was extremely proud of his Irish-Liverpudlian Roots).

He showed us the model of HIV as it was known back then in the late 80's (lenticular virus with various proteins and enzymes on it's shell) and declared that in his opinion and the opinion of several others he knew that it was NOT a natural virus but an artificial engineered virus intended for population control in Africa that had gotten out of hand and spread to the west.

It was from other sources actually developed by some German scientists and released accidentally when a Chimp escaped from there laboratory in Africa and somehow spread from there in the 1970's or late 1960's.

There was a fear at the time that the African Population would explode and the west would be inundated by third world refugees due to drought, poverty and war so it was apparently decided by some people that they wanted to wipe out as many African people as they could prior to this coming to pass.

Of course I Can not prove this but it is still my belief regardless of the claim that the virus was found in ancient primate remains.

Now you have me wondering about this, is there a war against PEOPLE being waged by some despicable evil doers and if so will we ever get to bring them to justice for there attempt at genocide?.


I also know of someone whom was warned in the 1970's in Liverpool by some German Sailors - not common sailors mind - to be careful as there was a new disease coming from Africa and that it HAD been created by scientists to kill the Africans off to cull the population, now this was from the horses mouth so to speak but must be taken anecdotally as it is from me third hand.

a reply to: panoz77

So they included LTR regions in the hope that it would randomly encounter a retro/lenti/retroid virus in the host and be integrated somehow? They would also need to encode TAT somewhere to increase transcription by interacting with TAR since pro virus genomes are usually cut early during transcription by the cell. It also doesn’t encode for IN or RT which it would need to incorporate in active regions of DNA.

Where are the LTR regions from HIV in the SARS-CoV-2 genome? I’m curious about them and how they’re using them in the virus.

Here is a link to the paper that kicked this off:

Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag

From going through it at the time, it was only a small part of the HIV virus that was inserted into SARSCov2 but a important part to increase the infection rates and the ability of the virus to target multiple types of cells. I got the impression it has to do with the furon clevage site which allows the virus to move around and orientate to a more offensive position when a spike does latch onto a receptor site.

With reports of T Killer cells getting taken out from the vax, it does have some of that HIV capability.

Here's some research I've gathered relevant to this topic. From what I've managed to piece together, and what I can understand, SARS-CoV-2 contains short segments from HIV-1. The segments seem to be related to how SARS-CoV-2 is so effective at infecting human cells and how it replicates. This first study is most likely the Indian study being referred to.

We then translated the aligned genome and found that these inserts are present in all Wuhan 2019-nCoV viruses except the 2019-nCoV virus of Bat as a host [Fig.S4]. Intrigued by the 4 highly conserved inserts unique to 2019-nCoV we wanted to understand their origin. For this purpose, we used the 2019-nCoV local alignment with each insert as query against all virus genomes and considered hits with 100% sequence coverage. Surprisingly, each of the four inserts aligned with short segments of the Human immunodeficiency Virus-1 (HIV-1) proteins.
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Although, the 4 inserts represent discontiguous short stretches of amino acids in spike glycoprotein of 2019-nCoV, the fact that all three of them share amino acid identity or similarity with HIV-1 gp120 and HIV-1 Gag (among all annotated virus proteins) suggests that this is not a random fortuitous finding. In other words, one may sporadically expect a fortuitous match for a stretch of 6-12 contiguous amino acid residues in an unrelated protein. However, it is unlikely that all 4 inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike glycoprotein fortuitously match with 2 key structural proteins of an unrelated virus (HIV-1).

Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag

Summary

Prolonged SARS-CoV-2 RNA shedding and recurrence of PCR-positive tests have been widely reported in patients after recovery, yet these patients most commonly are non-infectious. Here we investigated the possibility that SARS-CoV-2 RNAs can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome and that transcription of the integrated sequences might account for PCR-positive tests. In support of this hypothesis, we found chimeric transcripts consisting of viral fused to cellular sequences in published data sets of SARS-CoV-2 infected cultured cells and primary cells of patients, consistent with the transcription of viral sequences integrated into the genome. To experimentally corroborate the possibility of viral retro-integration, we describe evidence that SARS-CoV-2 RNAs can be reverse transcribed in human cells by reverse transcriptase (RT) from LINE-1 elements or by HIV-1 RT, and that these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed. Human endogenous LINE-1 expression was induced upon SARS-CoV-2 infection or by cytokine exposure in cultured cells, suggesting a molecular mechanism for SARS-CoV-2 retro-integration in patients. This novel feature of SARS-CoV-2 infection may explain why patients can continue to produce viral RNA after recovery and suggests a new aspect of RNA virus replication.

SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome

A team of prominent scientists has doubled down on its controversial hypothesis that genetic bits of the pandemic coronavirus can integrate into our chromosomes and stick around long after the infection is over. If they are right—skeptics have argued that their results are likely lab artifacts—the insertions could explain the rare finding that people can recover from COVID-19 but then test positive for SARS-CoV-2 again months later.

Stem cell biologist Rudolf Jaenisch and gene regulation specialist Richard Young of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who led the work, triggered a Twitter storm in December 2020, when their team first presented the idea in a preprint on bioRxiv. The researchers emphasized that viral integration did not mean people who recovered from COVID-19 remain infectious. But critics charged them with stoking unfounded fears that COVID-19 vaccines based on messenger RNA (mRNA) might somehow alter human DNA.

Further evidence supports controversial claim that SARS-CoV-2 genes can integrate with human DNA

a reply to: kwakakev

I’m pretty sure the similarities were found to exist and be similar just because it works in nature. It happens with many structures, genes and proteins.

Now, the furin cleavage site in the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 is the interesting component. The other SARS like coronaviruses do not have this. Their shared cleavage site is in S2 and all SARS like coronaviruses have that one.

This new one is located in between S1/S2 and we still haven’t found out where this happened. In people, in an animal, during a recombination event where two genomes from two coronaviruses merge into one. That makes sense, especially from a gain of function standpoint. The HIV stuff, sorry it doesn’t and anyone who has taken courses in molecular virology or molecular biology would see why.

Killer T cells are CD8 cells, not CD4 (T-Helper) cells. They primarily respond to MHC antigen presented from MHC-I, cell derived or endogenous which indicates active infection or compromised protein production and the cell is destroyed. Given their stem cell source, I doubt the vaccine is nuking all of them.

CD4 which HIV targets use MHC—II or the exogenous pathway. Antigen derived from the external environment. Almost like a sentry machine and it’s why opportunistic infections and external pathogens like fungus, bacteria, and cancers wipe the HIV positive patient once they reach less than 200 in their counts.

a reply to: blaenau2000

I know that the Australian CSIRO and a number of Australian Universities were heavily involved with GoF research at the Wuhan IoV. In fact the principle Chinese researchers actually undertook research in Australia.

Here's a bit of the story.

I have seen a video, waaaaaay back early last year, that has an older gentleman, Irish or maybe English, being interviewed about the whole Wuhan thing. During that interview I recall he holds up what appears to be a research paper that he claims is research undertaken by the CSIRO and the Wuhan IoV. That research was trying to smash together HIV & Coronavirus, IIRC.

If you can find that video or the guys website, that would be where I'd start. I believe that he wears a flat cap in the video.

originally posted by: angelchemuel
a reply to: blaenau2000
It was a group of Italian scientists in a bio lab. 16 of them all women bar one.
It hit UK news end of April perhaps May last year then was 'disappeared'.
I think you are right that it is Indian scientists who have 'resurrected' it.
In the time frame between it is some of the 'other' Dr's that have talked about it, but we know what happens to them.
Rainbows
Jane
PS, I believe it was a 'part' of the HIV not the whole HIV, which set the alarm bell's off that this was a bio-weapon as this is impossible in nature.

Well it was Professor Luc Montagnier that put it in the spotlight. Then he was slammed by his peers.
Professor Luc Montagnier is the man who discovered that HIV caused AIDS.

However, what is unclear is what virus Montagnier was looking at. I sincerely doubt that China gave him a sample of what was loose in Wuhan. So Montagnier was probably looking at the strain of Covid that was prominent in Spain, Italy and France. Realistically, months had passed since the original outbreak and what Montagnier was looking at from Spain-Italy-France was probably different genetically from the original Wujan strain.

Which brings things back to South Africa, where Covid has more mutations among those with HIV because Covid lives longer in the immunocompromised. The longer Covid lives in a human body, the more mutations it accumulates. And if Covid is living for long periods among those with HIV, replicating and making errors with its replication, then yes, it is possible for a tiny segment of HIV dna to be incorporated into Covid during mutation.

South Africa could become COVID ‘mutation factory’ because of large HIV-infected population, scientists say

I, of course, make the claim that Bayer who has made bioweapons for over 100 years is HARVESTING mutations of Covid from South Africa in those with HIV. And I stand by that claim.

When it comes to Professor Montagnier, I'm just not certain that he should be talking about the "origin" of Covid or the "origin" of any disease for that matter. Reason being--- despite the fact that Montagnier has been studying HIV for almost 40 years, Montagnier has NEVER figured out the "origin" of HIV. And if Montagnier has not figured out the origin of HIV, then he should not be making statements about the origin of other viruses.

With that said, I'll leave a short and simple hint on the origin of HIV. Dr. Hahn of U of Alabama traced the DNA predecessor of HIV, to a group of chimpanzees in the former German colony of Cameroon. Chimpanzees don't cross water, rivers, and lived in fixed areas.

So who would purchase chimps from the former German colony of Cameroon? And since HIV rates are the highest thousands of miles away from Cameroon... On the year 2000 statistics for HIV infections in Africa: Botswana 36% population HIV positive, Lesotho and Swaziland 25% HIV+, Zimbabwe 24%, Namibia and South Africa 19% HIV+. MEANWHILE, Cameroon, the genetic predecessor country had HIV rates less than 5% of the population.

So while all the named countries were part of the former larger South Africa (Botswana/Rhodesia, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Swaziland, Lesotho), WHAT PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY HAD ABSOLUTE MEDICAL CONTROL OVER BLACKS FORCED INTO APARTHEID RESERVATIONS UNDER DR. MALAN'S AND DR. VERWOERD'S ADMINISTRATIONS???

I'll give a hint...it starts with a "B" and they were practicing Hitler's Nazi Sexually Transmitted Virus Program during WWII and after. (Injecting STDs into Jews, Russian POWs and other races.

a reply to: MapMistress

Bayer.

Do I win a prize?