Michael Schiavo - Sworn Affidavit by RN Ciyer

I'm sure that what ever side you are on with the Schiavo situation,
you want the best for Terri Schiavo. We all just don't agree on what
exactly 'the best' is or how to get her to it.

Something that has not been discussed is hubby-dearest
MICHAEL Schiavo. Terri was an abused wife. She had bruises
all over her body. She had bone trama discovered when she
'collapsed' - a 'collapse' that happened just days after she told
people she wanted a divorce. Then while in the hospice she was
denied any stimulation at all, and forced to have a feeding tube
that wasn't fully necessary. Medical workers state that she was
able to swallow jello and liquids just fine.

I thought I'd kick off the Michael Schiavo discussion with a sworn
affidavit from the RN who took care of Terri. In this she talks about
the menacing body language Michael Schiavo used, and her
assertions that he tried to kill Terri with insulin overdoses, etc. etc.

It is my hope that when Terri dies (I predict she - and the pope - will
both die this weekend between Good Friday and Easter Sunday) ...
I hope that a FULL investigation will be made on Michael Schiavo.
If not for attempted murder, then at least for criminal neglect of
his wife while she was incapacitated.

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www.terrisfight.org...

Why couldn't this be posted in one of the other many threads.

Facts mean nothing anymore. The 'agenda" of the insane liberal left is to murder the innocent and the weak among us as they have since Roe v Wade in 1973. They have become the "nazi's" they accuse Bush of being.

This is premeditated "murder" by the black ropes and "hubby dearest".

Im sure what ever Idea you can come up with about her has been posted.

Originally posted by SpittinCobra
Im sure what ever Idea you can come up with about her has been posted.

I don't want to talk about Terri. I want to talk about MICHAEL.

This is a conspiracy site.
I believe he has been engaged in a conspiracy to kill her.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by SpittinCobra
Im sure what ever Idea you can come up with about her has been posted.

I don't want to talk about Terri. I want to talk about MICHAEL.

This is a conspiracy site.
I believe he has been engaged in a conspiracy to kill her.

No conspiracy, he has lived with for 15 years he is ready to move on.

[edit on 23-3-2005 by SpittinCobra]

Michael stated that his wife specifically said she'd not
want to be fed through a feeding tube or kept alive
artificially. This past Friday he contradicted that statement
while on Larry King - he said he didn't know what Terri
wanted but that this was what he wanted ...

Also -
eyeontheworld.typepad.com...

During the Karen Ann Quinlan time frame, Terri specifically
said that 'Where there is life, there is hope' and she
DID NOT approve of taking Karen Ann Quinlan off the life
saving machines that she was on.



[edit on 3/23/2005 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by SpittinCobra
he has lived with for 15 years he is ready to move on.

I'm sure he hopes the law wants to move on too.
and that they don't look too closely at his actions.
That's what I want to do, look at HIS actions.

At least criminal negligence at the hospice (which she
shouldn't have been at because she isn't terminal) ...
Perhaps even attempted murder to begin with.

You can put any kind of spin you want, its the same case.

I hope that a FULL investigation will be made on Michael Schiavo.
If not for attempted murder, then at least for criminal neglect of
his wife while she was incapacitated.

Have you ever dealt with DCF?

No?

I have.

If there was even a SHRED to go on, he'd be doing time, as DCF will frickin' ruin your life over just an accusation if they can do it. Trust me, I've seen them destroy many a family over far less.

Fine, let's talk about Michael....

No left or right here, but those wishing to prolong Terri's suffering always like to point out that he has a new girlfriend....

He does, after Terri had been severely brain damaged and bed-ridden for five years....

Everyone talks about he's out for money...

Yeah, that's why he's refused upwards of 11 million to divorce Terri...

Oh, but he just wants to kill her to silence her, right?

Folks, she's been gone for more than a decade, that ship has sailed...or perhaps you didn't see the MRI's showing Terri's cerebral cortex is all but gone?

Now we could continue to go down this road with Michael, but guess what? It's pointless. It really doesn't even matter if you think he is the scum of the Earth here. It's a point of law, and the law has said over and over and over and over and over (getting the point yet?) and over, that it is his legal decision. The doctors (not a lone nurse likely close to the parents) who were appointed by the court (not contacted by Mr. Schiavo) all determined that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state.

You know, if Terri was a terminal puppy everyone wouldn't even hesitate to end the pup's suffering. Amazing how we show more humanity towards pets than we do our own kind... Let her suffering end folks...

Yeah, that's why he's refused upwards of 11 million to divorce Terri...


Right, he TURNED it DOWN.

Originally posted by Gazrok
Fine, let's talk about Michael....

Yes. MICHAEL is what I want to talk about. So why did you post
all that stuff about Terri? I want to talk about MICHAEL... what HE
has done and not done.

Now we could continue to go down this road with Michael, but guess what? It's pointless.

No. Outting someone who may have tried to kill his wife... or outting
someone who is guilty of criminal neglect is not 'pointless'. This is a
conspiracy board (or at least it used to be). So ... let's see if there is
something to this or not.

It's a point of law, and the law has said over and over and
over and over and over (getting the point yet?) and over, that it is
his legal decision.

Getting the point yet??? That's rude.

Al Gore lost the election. John Kerry lost the election. Nothing was
stolen. Get the point yet? (rude, isn't it?)

Anyways ... the Florida courts may have ruled in his favor and that he
can finish what he started ... the job of killing her off. But we are here
online and we can discuss if that was the right decision, if they missed
things, his other behaviors in this case, etc.

Oh ... and OF COURSE he isn't going to take any money to get a divorce
or to stop killing Terri. The point is that he wants her dead. He has
always wanted her dead and out of the way. If she lives, there is still
a chance that she will talk. If she lives, or her body is in tact after death
(he wants IMMEDIATE cremation), then facts can come up that show he
tried to kill her. He doesn't want the money. He wants her dead.
Read the affidavit.

Originally posted by Gazrok
The doctors (not a lone nurse likely close to the parents)
who were appointed by the court (not contacted by Mr. Schiavo)
all determined that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state.

Let's look at the doctor that hubby-dearest picked...

Neurologist Dr. Ronald Cranford - is a right-to-die activist who
has been a featured speaker for the pro-euthanasia Hemlock Society.

Cranford is a member of the board of directors of the Choice in Dying
Society, which promotes doctor-assisted suicide and euthanasia.

He was also a featured speaker at the 1992 national conference of the
Hemlock Society. The group recently changed its name to End of Life
Choices.

In 1997, Cranford wrote an opinion piece in the Minneapolis Star Tribune
titled: "When a feeding tube borders on barbaric."



[edit on 3/23/2005 by FlyersFan]

Since he has stated that Terri's wishes were not to be kept alive artificially, how does his choice in doctors contradict this?

It doesn't.

Likewise, the doctors consulted in the court rulings were not just these doctors, but court-appointed ones (so non-biased).

Getting the point yet??? That's rude.

Al Gore lost the election. John Kerry lost the election. Nothing was
stolen. Get the point yet? (rude, isn't it?)

Yes, it is, and my apologies. Unfortunately, body language, tone of voice, etc. all doesn't transmit along the internet. By saying over and over, I meant to emphasize the NUMEROUS court rulings that have led to this... Reading it again, it's easy to see how it could be differently interpreted....(nor was it directed solely at you...it was a generality)

You still fail to address the logical point of her being severely brain damaged and in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years, and how this pretty much eliminates any fears of her "coming out of it and spilling all". There simply isn't enough of her brain left for this to happen, so there is NO fear of this, even if EVERYTHING that you assert is true...

The only mentions I made of Terri, was in relation to Michael's actions, attitudes, etc. I fully realize we are talking about Michael here.

[edit on 23-3-2005 by Gazrok]

[edit on 23-3-2005 by Gazrok]

Funny for such a criminal mind and such the cause of Terri's terrible ordeal, 2 courts already have side with him.

It's called evidence and so far it seems that allegations are just what they are a spin to turn attention toward the husband in a last attempt to win the public.

Well I still trust our judicial system over the ones profiting from this tragedy.

Let the highest court of the nation to have the last say.

And then if the state legislation wants to intervene in her favor if the highest court doesn't do anything then that will be the right think to do.

Perhaps legislation at the state level will be beneficial for so many other that may find themselves in the same situation. But also it can undermined any wills that the person may have written prior to their tragedy.

So is going to be some problems for some.

And her husband evilness then will be able to suffice brouth to justice and the law still will prevail any way.

It's the official independent report ordered by JEB BUSH after his 2003 "Terri's Law" the last time they stepped in:

abstractappeal.com...

Michael Schiavo comes off sounding like a damn saint and hero, if not the only sane person involved in this case.

Theresa’s husband, Michael Schiavo and her mother, Mary Schindler, were virtual partners in their care of and dedication to Theresa. There is no question but that complete trust, mutual caring, explicit love and a common goal of caring for and rehabilitating Theresa, were the shared intentions of Michael Shiavo and the Schindlers.

...

His [Michael’s] demanding concern for her well being and meticulous care by the nursing home earned him the characterization by the administrator as “a nursing home administrator’s nightmare”. It is notable that through more than thirteen years after Theresa’s collapse, she has never had a bedsore.

...

In late Autumn of 1990, following months of therapy and testing, formal diagnoses of persistent vegetative state with no evidence of improvement, Michael took Theresa to California, where she received an experimental thalamic stimulator implant in her brain. Michael remained in California caring for Theresa during a period of several months and returned to Florida with her in January of 1991.

...

It took Michael a long time to consider the prospect of getting on with his life – something he was actively encouraged to do by the Schindlers, long before enmity tore them apart. He was even encouraged by the Schindlers to date, and introduced his in-law family to women he was dating.

...

Michael Schiavo, on Theresa’s and his own behalf, initiated a medical malpractice lawsuit against the obstetrician who had been overseeing Theresa’s fertility therapy. In 1993, the malpractice action concluded in Theresa and Michael’s favor, resulting in a two element award: More than $750,000 in economic damages for Theresa, and a loss of consortium award (non economic damages) of $300,000 to Michael. The court established a trust fund for Theresa’s financial award, with SouthTrust Bank as the Guardian and an independent trustee. This fund was meticulously managed and accounted for and Michael Schiavo had no control over its use. There is no evidence in the record of the trust administration documents of any mismanagement of Theresa’s estate, and the records on this matter are excellently maintained.

…

Michael Schiavo had earlier, formally offered to divest himself entirely of his financial interest in the guardianship estate [in order to remove any hint of bias in his decision to remove the feeding tube].

...

By 1994, Michael’s attitude and perspective about Theresa’s condition changed. During the previous four years, he had insistently held to the premise that Theresa could recover and the evidence is incontrovertible that he gave his heart and soul to her treatment and care. This was in the face of consistent medical reports indicating that there was little or no likelihood for her improvement. [Sounds like Michael finally get's it.]

...

[And these people never will.] The Testimony provided by members of the Schindler family included very personal statements about their desire and intention to ensure that Theresa remain alive. Throughout the course of the litigation, deposition and trial testimony by members of the Schindler family voiced the disturbing belief that they would keep Theresa alive at any and all costs. Nearly gruesome examples were given, eliciting agreement by family members that in the event Theresa should contract diabetes and subsequent gangrene in each of her limbs, they would agree to amputate each limb, and would then, were she to be diagnosed with heart disease, perform open heart surgery. There was additional, difficult testimony that appeared to establish that despite the sad and undesirable condition of Theresa, the parents still derived joy from having her alive, even if Theresa might not be at all aware of her environment given the persistent vegetative state. Within the testimony, as part of the hypotheticals presented, Schindler family members stated that even if Theresa had told them of her intention to have artificial nutrition withdrawn, they would not do it. Throughout this painful and difficult trial, the family acknowledged that Theresa was in a diagnosed persistent vegetative state.

...

[Michaels testimony found credible.] The hearings and testimony before the trial court leading to the decision to discontinue artificial life support included admitted hearsay from Theresa’s brother-in-law (Michael Schiavo’s brother) and his wife (Michael’s Schiavo’s sister-in-law) along with testimony from Michael. The testimony of these parties referenced specific conversations in which Theresa commented about her desire never to be placed on artificial life support. The testimony reflected conversations at or proximate to funerals of close family members who had been on artificial life support. The context and content of the testimony, while hearsay, was deemed credible and consistent and was used by the court as a supporting bases for its decision to discontinue artificial life support.

...

[His detractors found NOT CREDIBLE.] Of Michael Schiavo, there is the incorrect perception that he has refused to relinquish his guardianship because of financial interests, and more recently because of new allegations that he abused Theresa and seeks to hide this. There is no evidence in the record to substantiate any of these perceptions or allegations.

What was wrong with Jeb's independent investigation? Didn't like the results? Conclusions get in the way of idle rumor, false speculation, and Congressional intervention?

I can't believe how squeaky clean Michael comes off ACCORDING TO JEB BUSH'S INVESTIGATION TWO YEARS AGO, and some people STILL won't let that man alone.

Seriously, you're devils. You're misled. You'd probably stone Jesus if he showed up and said let Terri come to me.

Originally posted by Gazrok
Since he has stated that Terri's wishes were not to be kept alive artificially,

HE said that .. but then on Larry King Live last week he contradicted
himself and said that he didn't know what Terri wanted. That ... coupled
with the link I provided earlier that had witness' to Terri's reaction to
the Karen Ann Quinlan case ... 'Where there is life, there is hope' was
Terri's view on these issues. What Michael says Terri wanted, and
what others say Terri said about others in this state ... are opposites.
I think there is enough evidence to muddy the waters as to what
exactly Terri really would have wanted. True, the law sides with the
husband, but did the law get it right? I know it's a done deal, but ...
did the law get it right? They ignorned, or were not presented, evidence
that contradicts Michaels contention that Terri would have not wanted
things this way.

the doctors consulted in the court rulings were not just these doctors, but court-appointed ones (so non-biased).

The court appointed doctors base their rulings on the info that comes
to them from the doctors from the family. MY QUESTION - do the
court doctors do any kind of independent investigation at all? Or is
it based upon the death focused neurologist that Michael picked and
is it based upon the reports of the hospic (the hospic that was under
orders from Michael NOT to provide any therapy to help her, not to
feed her or give her liquids even though she could swallow, etc.)

body language, tone of voice, etc. all doesn't transmit along the internet.

You are so right. No harm done.
eliminates any fears of her "coming out of it and spilling all".
Three things here - people HAVE come out of it. There have been people
in the news in recent days who have come out of it. It's rare and I highly
doubt she could have, however (point two) ... Terri herself said of these
cases - 'where there is life, there is hope'. SHE had hope - not fear - of
people coming out of it. (point three) Even though she most likely
wouldn't have come out of it (considering the damage done by the
starvation, I doubt there is any chance now) ... even though she most
likely wouldn't have come out of it, a killer wants to make sure the job
is done so he/she can relax and not get caught. Once the victim is
dead and CREMATED he can relax. So although you and I know that
the chances of her coming out of it are slim ... the killer (that's what I
think he is) sees a half done job and wants to finish it.

Considering her bruises and bone trama ... there was probably family
violence. He wasn't a loving and devoted husband. There is evidence
to suggest he was an unfaithful batterer. Domestic violence kills.

I have to agree with Flyers fan here, Michael has acted abominably in respect of Terri. He has refused to have her receive any medical care during the past 8 years while he fought tooth and nail for her to die. He may want to move on with his life, but what more does he need to move on with his life? He has a new wife, children with her and $600 000???

Gazrok you keep coming back to he says she wanted to die? There is no proof of this? No living will? There are however numerous witnesses to the contrary, who you discredit as having other motives. He has prevented Terri from eating not only through the feeding tube but in any way - to say that it is just the feeding tube that is keeping her alive is fallacious as the contrary has never been officially tried. He is starving her to death

Goazrok: We have also yesterday discussed the reasoning behind him refusing the supposed $11 million. Once Terri is safe and in her parents custodianship his life would change and no amount of money could save him from the hugest civil suit ever. His actions are akin to Nazi war criminals.

The most offensive part of this is that the President of the United States has the ability to stay an execution, as long as its not her husband who is the executioner.

I believe Terri will die. But I also believe that Michael will go to trail and be sentenced for his heinous crime against Terri. Flyers your picture sating that "Murdering your wife is a crime in 49 states" really touched me.

Nazi War criminal eh?

Read the report Rant just provided...

What was wrong with Jeb's independent investigation? Didn't like the results? Conclusions get in the way of idle rumor, false speculation, and Congressional intervention?

And THIS was from the guy willing to circumvent the law to keep her alive!!!

She didn't even have a bedsore for godsakes, and people talk about abuse? Being familiar with nursing home care in general, the lack of bedsores surely speaks of expert care providing.

Gazrok you keep coming back to he says she wanted to die? There is no proof of this?

The law states that when incapacitated, the spouse can act on one's behalf and communicate their wishes in this. In fact, the court KEEPS coming back with this same statement. So since he speaks for her, it's really a moot point.

Goazrok: We have also yesterday discussed the reasoning behind him refusing the supposed $11 million

Yes, and I stated that I can't see the merit basis for such a suit, even if that were the case. He could easily state that he wants to go on with his life, and have a report commissioned by the governor himself backing up his claim that he always sought her best care. He'd easily win such a lawsuit in court, so not really an issue.

If you call "safe" ...persisting in a vegetative state with your cerebral cortex gone.... Would YOU wish such an existence? Seriously? Ask yourself that question, and then re-examine how you feel about this case.

Considering her bruises and bone trama ... there was probably family violence.

Or low potassium levels and poor health in general... Remember, these things were investigated, and by an agency whose ruthlessness makes the SS look like the lollypop guild (i.e. DCF). If THEY didn't find anything, there's nothing to find...

[edit on 23-3-2005 by Gazrok]

Thanks RANT. This is the kind of information I'm interested
in looking at and debating and debunking or backing up ...
(yes, I am definately a Michael basher ... can't stand the $^#%$)

Originally posted by RANT
It is notable that through more than thirteen years after Theresa’s collapse, she has never had a bedsore.

No? Her teeth turned black and fell down the back of her throat
due to a lack of dental care. Not exactly bed sores but ...

It took Michael a long time to consider the prospect of getting on with his life –

He had a live in girl friend 18 months after the 'collapse'. I don't
consider 18 months to be ' a long time'.

This fund was meticulously managed and accounted for and
Michael Schiavo had no control over its use.

Wasn't every last penny spent? Mostly on legal matters?

Michael Schiavo had earlier, formally offered to divest himself entirely of his financial interest in the guardianship estate

The money was all gone. What did it matter if he divested or not?
Nothing was left.

[Michaels testimony found credible.]

Hey ... courts make mistakes. OJ got off. Jon BenetRamsey's
mother never got charged for her daughters murder. It happens.

specific conversations in which Theresa commented about her desire never to be placed on artificial life support.

Guess the court missed the statement I referenced about Terri and
the Karen Ann Quinlan case. Guess the court forgot that she is
CATHOLIC (so much so that she went to Catholic school) and that
the Catholic church specifically says NOT to pull feeding tubes.

incorrect perception that he has refused to relinquish his guardianship because of financial interests, and more recently because of new allegations that he abused Theresa and seeks to hide this. There is no evidence in the record to substantiate any of these perceptions or allegations.

I am very sure that he isn't concerned about financial interests. The
money is all gone. I DO think there is enough evidence to raise eye brows
about him having beat her and that he wants her dead (and immediately
cremated) so as to hide the evidence. There is no 'evidence'? There is
certainly smoke ... so check for the fire. No one has done an investigation
on him. Not a good one. In depth. And unfortunately it looks like there
never will be one.

Seriously, you're devils. You're misled.

No. I'm a heretic (NYGDAN says so! ) Misled? Perhaps. But I still
see smoke and I want the fire department to go investigate to check
for a fire. REALLY investigate! It does no harm to check into this guy.
WHY does he insist on immediate cremation? WHY can't she have a
priest in the room? WHY can't she be buried in a Catholic cemetary?
Too many WHY's. Not enough answers.

BTW - I think it's that YOU are quoting a BUSH and believing him!
Never thought I'd see the day!