Time of the Abomination of Desolation

I would really like to understand how this cannot be an abomination. The sacrifice of animals after Jesus was given for all as a last perfect sacrifice.

abomination of desolation

"Abomination of desolation" is a phrase from the Book of Daniel describing the pagan sacrifices with which the 2nd century BCE Greek king Antiochus IV replaced the twice-daily offering in the Jewish temple, or alternatively the altar on which such offerings were made

This is a REPLACEMENT sacrifice of Jesus and even building this alter is an affront, is it not? It causes spiritual Desolation.

This took place in 2019

On December 13, 2018, the last day of Hanukkah, the Sanhedrin consecrated a portable 4½ ton altar which could be moved close to the Temple Mount, or to a new temple if called for. The prophecy of Daniel 11:31 mentions sacrifices, but not a temple, indicating that the sacrifices could be offered without a temple. Historically, the abomination which makes desolate was typified by the actions of Antiochus Epiphanes; the actions of the Beast and False Prophet, as they exalt themselves above all that is God, may usher in the time of Jacob's Trouble. We do not know exactly when Jesus Christ will return, but as the Sanhedrin feverishly prepares for the return of the daily sacrifices, God's called-out ones should be just as feverishly preparing to become Christ-like.

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70 Nations Initative Perform Ritual Sacrifice Ahead of Jewish New Year



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a reply to: SeaWorthy

Why would Jewish people care, though? They don't recognize Jesus as holy, so it's not an abomination to them.

So what is this 70 Nations thing all about?
Are we looking at authority given?
Revelation 13:4, ESV: "And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?”"

But as it is the Table of Nations shows us that after the incident at Babel, the nations dispersed according to “their clans, their nations, and their languages.”

Let’s consider a few points about this passage. First we must note that here we find an explanation of ethnicity but significantly there is no mention, whatsoever, of skin color or physical appearance. Instead, race and ethnicity are considered a matter of shared family heritage, beliefs, and language. This is very foreign to our modern idea of race so often closely tied to one’s skin color and other physical attributes.

Second, we ought to notice how Genesis 10 ends: with the notation that there were 70 nations. As you can see, if you follow the way that these lines of decent are explained, these names alone don’t account for all of humanity as we know it today or where all of humanity lives.

albertmohler.com...

The number 70 has significance as a source of both disunity and harmony in the world.

While there are almost 200 countries on the map today, Jewish tradition refers to global humanity as the “70 nations.” This enumeration comes from the biblical story of the Tower of Babel, when the people of the world gathered together to build an enormous structure that would reach the heavens and challenge God.

israelforever.org...
This Organization Aims to Replace the United Nations

originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: SeaWorthy

Why would Jewish people care, though? They don't recognize Jesus as holy, so it's not an abomination to them.

But is is to God. it seems like a major thing doesn't it replacing the corner stone they rejected?
The temple itself is now spiritual. Just building that alter alone seems massive to me.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

Maybe more like a reclamation.

"There is no redemption without the Sanhedrin," said Stein. "We are building the opportunity for a king (messiah)."
iskconnews.org...

Beginning in October 2004, an attempt was made to re-establish a revived Sanhedrin, a national rabbinical court of Jewish law in Israel.

This is the Sanhedrin that betrayed Jesus.

According to the Gospels, the Sanhedrin, an elite council of priestly and lay elders, arrested Jesus during the Jewish festival of Passover, deeply threatened by his teachings. They dragged him before Pilate to be tried for blasphemy—for claiming, they said, to be King of the Jews.Mar 6, 2019

The organization, which is composed of over 70 rabbis (similar to the composition of the original Sanhedrin), claims to enjoy recognition and support from the entire religious Jewish community in Israel. However, it is totally ignored by the Haredi community, and has stirred debate in both religious and secularist circles. There has not been a "full meeting" of the Sanhedrin since 2005.[1]

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originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: SeaWorthy

Why would Jewish people care, though? They don't recognize Jesus as holy, so it's not an abomination to them.

No, it isn't an abomination to them. However, the prophecies concerning the last days were written for those who believe so they can know God is in control and can be comforted during the hard times, and to warn others about how it all will end. There will be many people who do not choose to believe or care, but...there will also be Jews who turn to Jesus in those days based on the prophecies they have heard and from seeing them come true as predicted.

a reply to: SeaWorthy
One more condition needs to be fulfilled.
The Biblical Abomination does not just exist; it is something enforced upon God's people, which is why it becomes a grievance. It also displaces the real point of contact between God and his people, just as the idol of Antiochus Epiphanes took over the sacrificial rites in the Temple. (That is what constitutes the "desolation", the sense of isolation).
At the moment, the compulsion is missing.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: SeaWorthy
One more condition needs to be fulfilled.
The Biblical Abomination does not just exist; it is something enforced upon God's people, which is why it becomes a grievance. It also displaces the real point of contact between God and his people, just as the idol of Antiochus Epiphanes took over the sacrificial rites in the Temple. (That is what constitutes the "desolation", the sense of isolation).
At the moment, the compulsion is missing.

Gods People became those of the People who followed the Messiah that came so Christians. In which case the desolation would be what it brings upon Israel? The desolation of Israel? Is Jerusalem a holy place? Could the destruction by war fulfil this?

Daniel chapter 9, he says “on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate”

So from the point of view of Gods true People the sacrifice was a a really big spiritual abomination. But we also have the rebuilding of the Sanhedrin which were responsible for the death of their own Messiah.
The 70 who brought it back on the 70th birthday of the state of Israel.
The gathering 70 nations to create a new United nations which in their own words reflects the 70 who were at the tower of Babel.

We have the 4 Jewish holidays in a row with eclipses and I read that that had not happened since the days of Jesus?

Now we have war starting in Israel.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
Gods People became those of the People who followed the Messiah that came so Christians. In which case the desolation would be what it brings upon Israel?

I agree with the first point, and I think the implication is that Christians will also be experiencing the "compulsion and desolation".

But I still maintain that the word "desolation" means "isolation". The English word comes from SOLUS, which means "alone". The Greek word comes from EREMOS, which means "alone". The Hebrew word is also used for the way Ezra feels when he discovers that the Jews have been marrying foreigners (it is the word translated as "astonished" in the AV). In short, it is about the sense of isolation. Nothing to do with "destruction". I suspect the idea of "destruction" was originally prompted by people getting confused between "desolation" and "devastation" (which is something different).

So our understanding of the abomination of desolation has to be based on what those two words mean. An abomination is a state of idolatry, all the way through the OT. A "desolation" is something giving the sense of being isolated from God. So it is an act of idolatry imposed by compulsion, which also removes our freedom to practice the true worship. Like the original, the idol of Antiochus Epiphanes.

That;'s the kind of thing we need to be looking for. When we've got them, we've got an abomination of desolation.

The Abomination was a swine being sacrificed to Zeus in a Jewish temple, and would also eat them more or less.

The way it works is....

If you interpret the Bible like I do then you are a proper Christian.


vs.

If you interpret the Bible like the Lutherans or Catholics, you're SOL.

originally posted by: olaru12
The way it works is....

If you interpret the Bible like I do then you are a proper Christian.


vs.

If you interpret the Bible like the Lutherans or Catholics, you're SOL.

It is not about interpretation the bible tells us right and wrong very directly. If it does not weigh against the scripture you throw it out.
If a Catholic priest is called Father you look

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Do the leaders fit the description we are given? All easy to see if anyone looks.

Luke 20:46 "Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Matters like end times are all things we will see because we are aware they are coming and watching. Speculating here is just that. Changes nothing as far as what we need to be doing.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Thank you, interesting.

Did the 70 Nations and the proposed new UN sign to obey Noahide Laws, rules that make the belief in Jesus Christ a crime ?

This is interesting in the USA

Early in March 1991, 225 members of the House had signed on as co-sponsors of this Resolution, but it is highly doubtful they were given the full text of the document. They were probably told only that it was a Resolution in honor of Rabbi Schneerson’s birthday.
Most likely they had no knowledge that the treacherous Noahide Laws were a silent attachment. I was not one of the co-sponsors. The committee referred this Resolution to the House for a vote on March 5, 1991. But here is where the real treachery begins! The record states that the House of Representatives passed this Resolution by “Unanimous Consent.” But what the average American does not know is that “Unanimous Consent” is a euphemism for getting a bill passed “under the radar” with almost NO ONE present to vote AND with NO RECORD of who voted or HOW they voted.

medium.com...@jay30mcr/now-the-government-can-legally-kill-christians-ab72bef4a804

While Christianity appears to conform to six of the seven Noahide laws, an informal comparison of the Nicene Creed and Noahide Law reveals that three major theological teachings may involve a violation of the Noahide prohibition against idolatry.

Equating Jesus with G-d
Equating the Holy Spirit with G-d
Jesus as Savior (in his proposed capacity as G-d)

www.wikinoah.org...
I personally do not belive Jesus is God but most Christians do and that would be against the law.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

They don’t accept Christ, they are just practicing their faith
God left the Temple, God doesn’t reside there anymore, His Spirit left

I don’t see any drama, God resides in the hearts of humanity now, Christians are the temple
Israel is fallen, the Temple is empty
Christians have only the right to tell other Christians how to live, definitely not Jews
Jesus is personal, He came to set up His kingdom in people hearts, did you miss the memo.

It seems strange, you reverencing the Jewish temple when it holds no spiritual value in Christianity or am I missing something? Is that idol worship

a reply to: Raggedyman

Not sure what you are talking about but Israel is in prophecy.

The "abomination of desolation" is for when the anti-christ stands on the Temple Mount and proclaims himself "king of kings , lord of lords" . The time when the anti-christ will become known to the people.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

Yeah, pertaining to the Jews and a sign of end times. Not relevant to Christians, we are the temple, the Spirit is in us
Christians are not bound to a Jewish temple

They can't even follow their own rules...oh, wait, they're God's rules...that the altar be made of unhewn stones. A total fail.

This is a REPLACEMENT sacrifice of Jesus and even building this alter is an affront, is it not? It causes spiritual Desolation.

a reply to: SeaWorthy



Mate Jews do not recognize Jesus as the messiah , so what there doing here is just another day for them.

It's just your sensitive Christian sensibilities that find this to be abominable , maybe you should travel and read a little .