Area 51 was not moved !

I have seen this arise in several posts. Thanks to that guy at Popular Science or another science related magazine that drove to that busted up Windmill Power thingy, and he published that article, everyone thinks that area 51 was moved to somewhere else. Area 51 is growing in activity every day. This is very irritating to hear people saying "oh, well, Area 51 was moved so blah blah blah blah blah, and then bloop bloop bloop bloop bloop." Area 51 is not a cover-up for some other top secret base somewhere. The government would not waste billions of dollars a year to pay the security guards, pay for their weapons, vehicles and their upkeep, the upkeep of buildings, the additions to the runway and the adding of a totally new runway, just to act as a distraction? I mean, come on. Our government's stupid , but not thatstupid!

[edit on 18-6-2005 by John bull 1]

Most people have agreed with you and I agree with you/them as well.

Thank You! I've been saying the same thing forever! The other thing that perpetuates this rumor is a basic misunderstanding of Groom Lake! Folks, Groom Lake is essentually Nochturnal, all OUTDOOR activities shut down 1 hour before dawn. During the day, all activities are confined to windowless buildings on the base. I remember reading about the early days of the B-2 Spirit (Stealth Bomber) when the only planes in the fleet, Test Planes AV-1 throught AV-6 (which are still there), were at Groom Lake. The test planes weren't rolled out of the hanger untill an hour after dark. Trust me, I've done the research!
Hopefully, we can bury this old myth once and for all!

Bottom Line: Area 51 is alive and busier then ever! Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there!


Tim
ATS Director of Counter-Ignorance

Another thing I forgot to mention was the radiation. People say thats the only reason its still has security, becasue of the radiation. COME ON! The gov't must have some kind of chemical to absorb the radiation, or something. They even may have blown up the land below the radiated area to collapse it inward, then cover t w/ dirt or cement or something.

[edit on 21-3-2005 by TheRanchMan]

(posted by TheRanchMan)
Thanks to that guy at Popular Science or another science related magazine that drove to that busted up Windmill Power thingy, and he published that article, everyone thinks that area 51 was moved to somewhere else.

"Popular Mechanics" also claimed that they moved elsewhere. In mid-1997 it published an article titled "The New Area 51" and having the following explanation under the title by way of introduction: "The U.S. Air Force has stopped its top-secret testing in the region that was once the most protected in the nation. We know why and we know the place where they moved to."

However, this magazine sometimes sounds like a tool of the official debunkers and the article could have been an attempt at keeping people away from Area 51.

For example, that same year the same reporter wrote another one titled "Roswell Plus 50" in which he comes up with a really ridiculous theory, a Japanese version of the Nazi Theory (Operation Paperclip), based on the fact that "the 'dead aliens' [found at the Roswell crash] (...) have (...) often been described as having Oriental features". This leads him to suggest that they were actually "Japanese engineers and pilots brought to the U.S. after the war to work on the project [the development of a flying saucer]".
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It certainly hasn't moved, testing is still being conducted and the facility is continually upgraded with new taxiways, runways and buildings. It is still the most remote patch of dirt the USAF has, the local populations tend to be mostly cattle, rattlesnakes and mice, with a few scattered settlements like Rachel and Alamo. It's a whole lot of nowhere, but it to quote an astronaut who walked on the moon has a sense of beautiful desolation.

The flip side is one of the jokes originally made about the place, Kelly Johnson called it "Paradise Ranch" to lure innocent engineers to work at that forsaken place, which was funny, as it was so dry and quarter inch rocks blew around each afternoon.

first of all, you cant move area 51. it is an area, you might cancel the base's operation, but you certainly cant move it. you can shift your base of operations somewhere else. maybe the government wants you to think that they are stupid, and you have fallen for their falsification for a base. but your right, it is a base that has alot of activity.

Well, that is understood when you say it was moved. People (should) know that it is impossible to move an entire base, so we know that the projects and staff were moved, not the actual base.

Area 51 was not moved, per se. However, it HAS been divided, if you will.
Some of what WAS going on at 51 now takes place just outside Spanish Fork, Utah, at another piece of 'unused' military real estate. Area 51 just got too hot, with too much attention being payed to details by the public.
sledge

I agree that for the most part. It is working just as much, if not more as it always has been. As far as whats being kept, and hidden at this base... I dont think it comes close to comparing to what dulce is hiding under its dirt.

If someone contacts Boyd Bushman the Sr Scientist of Lockheed-Martin and inventor of the US "Stinger" missile" and ask directly the question, you will find out that AREA 51 IS being re-located to Utah. Those that monitor AREA 51 at the present time will see more trucks and aircraft in and out then every before. The location in Utah is a only location that if checked with FAA, has 100% non-military NO FLY ZONE plus has non civilian block on satelite coverage.
18 wheelers have in fact started relocated unknown content via military escort from the Roswell area to Utah.

So maybe "Pop. Mechs." was being truthful this time for a change? In the aforementioned article it is claimed that the new Area 51 is located at the WSMR (White Sands Missile Range) in Utah and is officially known as Area 6413.

Either the mag, Bushman & drrdw know the ropes, or they're working in cahoots, colluding & conspiring to throw us off track. All those trucks & airplanes coming & going could be part of the deceit. In that case, what a waste of fuel!!! They must know that ATSers are not easily befuddled.
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Back in 1997 Popular Mechanics claimed this was the new Area 51, Area 6413.

[edit on 4-5-2005 by NWguy83]

Originally posted by Macrento
So maybe "Pop. Mechs." was being truthful this time for a change? In the aforementioned article it is claimed that the new Area 51 is located at the WSMR (White Sands Missile Range) in Utah and is officially known as Area 6413.

Either the mag, Bushman & drrdw know the ropes, or they're working in cahoots, colluding & conspiring to throw us off track. All those trucks & airplanes coming & going could be part of the deceit. In that case, what a waste of fuel!!! They must know that ATSers are not easily befuddled.
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UH, you do realise that White sands is in Southern NM not utah right???

There's next to no infrastructure at that facility, hangar space is pitiful and no housing or engineering space, definately a big fat red herring.

Originally posted by Lordofchaos

Originally posted by Macrento
So maybe "Pop. Mechs." was being truthful this time for a change? In the aforementioned article it is claimed that the new Area 51 is located at the WSMR (White Sands Missile Range) in Utah and is officially known as Area 6413.

Either the mag, Bushman & drrdw know the ropes, or they're working in cahoots, colluding & conspiring to throw us off track. All those trucks & airplanes coming & going could be part of the deceit. In that case, what a waste of fuel!!! They must know that ATSers are not easily befuddled.
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UH, you do realise that White sands is in Southern NM not utah right???

Area 6413 is officially known as White Sands Missile Range Utah Launch Complex.

[edit on 4-5-2005 by NWguy83]

I still believe A51 is fully operational for non-convential craft of goverment origin. A while back I learned all foreign technology eg Discs and outside this world craft was moved to Colorardo, along with level 5, 6 and 7 -S4 type lab work.

Dallas

Originally posted by sledge
Area 51 was not moved, per se. However, it HAS been divided, if you will.
Some of what WAS going on at 51 now takes place just outside Spanish Fork, Utah, at another piece of 'unused' military real estate. Area 51 just got too hot, with too much attention being payed to details by the public.
sledge

Might not be relevant but looking on GoogleMaps around the Spanish Fork, Utah area, there looks like a 'touch up' done on one of the mountains.

Again, could just be something to do with how the satellite layers the images but, you never know and that's why we are here isn't it?

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the touch up is probably upgrades to the new comm. system. area 51 has not been moved. i always see activity there

Stealing Wheelbarrows Under Cover Of Hay

Meanwhile, I'm guessing all the really cool stuff flies out of an as-yet-unnamed base in the Australian outback.

Groom Lake is probably the most famous "secret base" in the world. Nonetheless, it's still a great facility for all sorts of things.

Stuff that can be safely done there is done there. Stuff that can't, isn't, and where it is being done is probably not being discussed in Popular Mechanics.

Despite painstaking public relations efforts to the contrary, USAF and its three-letter affiliates (and friends in the media business, hint hint) aren't run by idiots, and if they want to keep something secret, they're damn good at it.

Still, it's fun to speculate. 8)