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originally posted by: Mailman
At first they said it's unsafe to vote traditionally in person.
Then you see early voters in long lines.
On Tues I heard many people voting normally, had no lines to wait in.
If early voting and mail in or absentee were to streamline, why are they what is holding up the counting?
Our only power is a vote and I'm feeling like it has been taken from the american people.
originally posted by: BomSquad
I feel the only way to have a transparent and fair election is to do it in the course of a single day with minimal absentee/mail in voting.
There are too many ways to "stuff the ballot box" with mail in voting.
I'd love to see voter ID as well, but there are too many entrenched interests opposed to that to make it practical in the foreseeable future.
And to those who say that voter ID is useless, I have a personal story that suggests otherwise.
In a previous election, my wife reported to the voting place to cast her vote. After giving the attendant her street address and name, she was informed that she had already voted. In reality, she had not. Someone had either used her name and address to get a ballot, or the attendant mismarked someone else's request for a ballot as my wife's request. Either way, a voter ID might have alleviated that issue, especially if it were a scannable ID, either with prox chip, bar code or mag stripe. My wife was given a provisional ballot and allowed to vote, but those ballots are not usually counted.
originally posted by: BomSquad
I feel the only way to have a transparent and fair election is to do it in the course of a single day with minimal absentee/mail in voting.
130 million people voted this year. So far.
And the voting day would have to be a holiday.
I'm with you open up much more voting stations and then more people can vote on the day. Otherwise with 130 million people would still be standing in line. There were counties with 4million people and only one spot to vote at. You really think that can be done in just one day? People have jobs.
And the voting day would have to be a holiday.edit on 5-11-2020 by scraedtosleep because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: XCrycek
The rate of voting fraud overall in the US is less than 0.0009%, according to a 2017 study by the Brennan Center for Justice.
If Trump won the early vote you guys would be silent.
Trump lost, get over it.
It's been well known that absentee / mail in ballots are where most of the fraud occurs which is why it isn't normally pushed.
There is no good reason for the voting process to be so screwed up other than fraud.
I think voting should be a national holiday. ID required. Must vote in person unless soldier on active duty.
originally posted by: Mystery_Lady
It's been well known that absentee / mail in ballots are where most of the fraud occurs which is why it isn't normally pushed.
There is no good reason for the voting process to be so screwed up other than fraud.
I think voting should be a national holiday. ID required. Must vote in person unless soldier on active duty.
Here MSM is saying it is practically impossible for fraud to happen in mail in votes. They are trying to convince people voter fraud is rare.
originally posted by: DanDanDat
Early voting nor Mail in voting are the issue here.
The issue is that State Democrats took every opportunity they could to upset the normal process of voting only weeks before the election was to take place.
In any other time and place the Democrats would be screaming about changes made to the electoral process that close to an election as the confusion could be a means at voter suppression.
But this time they had nothing to lose by sowing chaos into the system so they used it as a political tool.
1) If Joe Biden won big than the irregularities and confusions wouldn't mater.
2) If Trump won big the irregularities and confusions would be used to delegitimize Trump's second term.
3) if the election turned out to be a close Biden loss than the irregularities and confusions would give them one last hail mary chance to contest the results. Given the establishments hold on the process they may have succeeded.
4) if the election turned out to be a close Trump loss (where we find ourselves now) would be where they ran the most risk on their strategy; but it would be Trump making hail mary chances not them. This is why the news media has made a big deal the last few weeks out of Trump's plans to contest. To make his chances of succeeding decrease... do you really think the SC is going to rule in a dictators favor?
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: DanDanDat
Early voting nor Mail in voting are the issue here.
The issue is that State Democrats took every opportunity they could to upset the normal process of voting only weeks before the election was to take place.
In any other time and place the Democrats would be screaming about changes made to the electoral process that close to an election as the confusion could be a means at voter suppression.
But this time they had nothing to lose by sowing chaos into the system so they used it as a political tool.
1) If Joe Biden won big than the irregularities and confusions wouldn't mater.
2) If Trump won big the irregularities and confusions would be used to delegitimize Trump's second term.
3) if the election turned out to be a close Biden loss than the irregularities and confusions would give them one last hail mary chance to contest the results. Given the establishments hold on the process they may have succeeded.
4) if the election turned out to be a close Trump loss (where we find ourselves now) would be where they ran the most risk on their strategy; but it would be Trump making hail mary chances not them. This is why the news media has made a big deal the last few weeks out of Trump's plans to contest. To make his chances of succeeding decrease... do you really think the SC is going to rule in a dictators favor?
I just don't get how people can't see this... I mean it is clear as day. People on here and others have been pointing this out for MONTHS that this was how things would play out.