New leaked video of black jogger gunned down by a white father and son duo

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

I agree with you that there might be more to this story, but it's still murder.
He was no threat and they killed him right in the street.

It's either murder or vigilante justice.

From what I'm reading, the jogger fought the other guy and then a struggle for a shotgun happened, and that's when the jogger was shot. Even the jogger's Aunt watched a captured video and said the jogger was her nephew. I'll see how the story unfolds. In the meantime, Biden is out there screaming for justice over white guys in a pickup truck with a Gasden Flag hunting down a black man and shooting him.

The instant I see race come up in the headlines, I usually try to find a source not so revved up on throwing colors out there.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Jaellma

Why does the race of the jogger and killer matter?

Why can't it just be like it used to be when the headlines would have been "New leaked video of jogger gunned down by father and son duo"?

People have grown sick of the race baiting and headlines like this take away from the actual story.


Race baiting is sooo 2010's.

How is it "race baiting" when all I am doing is just re-posting what ALL the news media are saying??? I am adding other comments to post my feelings about but no way in hell am I going to misrepresent the actual story and headlines of what is already out there.

If you are in the business of doing that, then run your own thread, I am posting it as they say it from the news sources, I can't and wouldn't interpret their headlines and create my own.

a reply to: frogs453

The video shows a struggle first. Let's not get all "hands up don't shoot" before we know the real story. How do you know the white devil's intentions weren't to question the jogger and then call police, using the gun as a tool to keep the potential criminal there until police arrived? The shooter was an investigator for years, that tells me he wanted answers first and foremost, even if his intention was murder.

Obviously people aren't going to give this story a chance to unfold before they scream, but they should. We know nothing. And all we have on video is a struggle and then gunfire.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
He was a well known criminal. Court records show that Mr. Arbery was convicted of shoplifting, violating probation and took a handgun to a HS basketball game. One neighbor said she saw a black man breaking into a property that day and running down the road. The family is saying he loved to jog. What they are not saying is he also had a passion for breaking the law. It might be murder but as many have stated, a lot more to this story than just the video.

His past doesn't matter for the purpose of this case.

All that matters is did he have intent, means, and opportunity to put the shooter in imminent danger.

One could argue that the deceased grabbed for the shooter's gun, but they'd be mistaken.

The shooter and his son forced the issue. The deceased would have been within his rights to try and defend HIMSELF if his path was blocked by a gun-wielding vigilante and he was in fear for his life.

I don't get to point a gun at you, and then when you pull your own weapon in response claim self-defense after I shot you.

Honestly, I think we need to know more about the situation.

From the video, the black clearly is struggling with the white.

Also, if there is a stranger in your neighborhood you better believe that following them around (especially after seeing them peering into windows) is something that is a valid thing to do.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
It might be murder...

Not might, is, and potentially murder one since they went out looking for him. They aren't police, they aren't empowered to go after suspects on the street. Asshole vigilantes like them make it more difficult for legal gun owners everyday.

Go read the story. First, nobody has been charged with murder yet so it's not murder. Second, the story says they believe he attempted to grab the gun. There is also another video of him breaking into a home. There is a lot of stuff to digest. It could be murder. It might not be murder. Right now it's not murder.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
It might be murder...

Not might, is, and potentially murder one since they went out looking for him. They aren't police, they aren't empowered to go after suspects on the street. Asshole vigilantes like them make it more difficult for legal gun owners everyday.

Actually ... Georgia's got some 'different' laws going on down there.

Quite a bit of spin going on with this 'story' too. Smells of another professional hit piece by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Who just happened to organize a Trayvon-style rally (might even be worth mentioning that George Zimmerman was acquitted).

I also 'hear' that video was shot by another neighbor, just as anxious to make a citizen's arrest ... as the ex-cop and his son were.

a reply to: Jaellma

People should be glad that those close to the McMichaels have recused themselves. If they hadn't, then we'd be hearing all about favoritism. Wouldn't you agree?

originally posted by: doorhandle
They should be locked up for life for this.

..What they did was illegal obviously, so by their own standards (and some on here also it seems) this kids family now has complete legitimacy to go hunting them down with shotguns..because well hey they did something illegal so should be punished for it. Is this the kind of world you redneck Clint Eastwood's want?

I'm shocked not just how any human could do that regardless of what they believe he may or may not have done, but also at the complete lack of action from the authorities on this, i'm gobsmacked.

Fortunately for us in the Southern US , we still abide by the rule of law.
Meaning , if they go after anyone they go to prison too.
We are not a Progressive Liberal Democratic Socialist State.

a reply to: TheGreazel

How did they know he was unarmed?

a reply to: Athetos

Do a little more research for your own good.

a reply to: continuousThunder

Did you do any research either? It wasn't once. He did do bad things. There is evidence that the jogger and the guy with the gun were fighting before a gunshot was fired. You'll believe what you want to believe without letting anything unfold though, because black killed by white is what matters here. Right?

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Jaellma

People should be glad that those close to the McMichaels have recused themselves. If they hadn't, then we'd be hearing all about favoritism. Wouldn't you agree?

I agree on that. That's another story for another day. I'm more intrigued on what caused these 2 men to hunt this guy down in the 1st place. Don't you agree they should have called the cops? Real talk now.

a reply to: cynicalheathen

There is video of him breaking in a home that day. It's totally relevant. If he does not break in he does not get into this situation. He is at just as much fault. He instigated it by committing a crime. I'm not justifying him being shot but understand, he is very passionate about breaking the law. Other people are also passionate about protecting their stuff. They are both wrong. Don't break the law first. Second, call the law and don't take matters into your own hands.

Both at fault.

a reply to: doorhandle

Well, I'm not shocked that so many of you read the headlines and don't bother researching the story.

None of us know what happened.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Go read the story. First, nobody has been charged with murder yet so it's not murder.

The video evidence has just come to light.

Second, the story says they believe he attempted to grab the gun.

After he was confronted with it.

There is also another video of him breaking into a home.

Irrelevant. Two vigilantes are not sworn LEO. They have no legal authority.

originally posted by: Snarl
Actually ... Georgia's got some 'different' laws going on down there.

Which ones? I doubt there is any law in Georgia that gives private citizens the right to confront others with deadly force on a public thoroughfare regardless of their suspicions.

I also 'hear' that video was shot by another neighbor, just as anxious to make a citizen's arrest ... as the ex-cop and his son were.

There is a good thread on citizen's arrest by Shamrock, this doesn't qualify.

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Again, committing a burglary or theft doesn't justify shooting someone.

In my state, I would be justified in shooting a burglar in my own home if I just said "He was about to hit me, I was in fear for my life." (Code of AL 1975, 13A-3-23). In reality, I would only do so if myself or my family was in clear, imminent danger. I'm not about to shoot someone over any piece of property, regardless of their past.

Stuff is not worth taking a life over.

If you don't like the verdict or sentence rendered, elect better judges.

I drove a cab for a few months, a couple of years ago. A young black guy, very clean cut looking, wearing a new track or running suit called for a cab. When I arrived, he got in my cab and asked me to if I had change for a hundred dollar bill. Like an idiot I said I might.

He asked me to drive to a nearby apartment parking area so, as he said, he could notify a babysitter that he would be leaving for awhile. I opened my money pouch to make change, when he suddenly snatched it and ran away.

I didn't pursue because I couldn't believe what just happened. I didn't feel it was worth the effort and possible injury to myself. I lost about $140 that day.

I have to agree that the measures the two shooters took was uncalled for but its a good possibility the black guy may have been committing crimes in their area.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Go read the story. First, nobody has been charged with murder yet so it's not murder.

The video evidence has just come to light.

Second, the story says they believe he attempted to grab the gun.

After he was confronted with it.

There is also another video of him breaking into a home.

Irrelevant. Two vigilantes are not sworn LEO. They have no legal authority.

There would be no vigilantes if he was not breaking in residences. His actions created them so it is relevant. I'm not giving the vigilantes a pass either but this will be relevant if it goes to trial. Someone who shoots someone in cold blood is going to get a much harsher sentence than someone trying to protect their stuff.