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originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Its not just going to be a case of the world helping with the virus but also a case of ensuring borders are closed off and the continent itself. Africa's HIV problem will ensure that the death toll is like you said staggering. India & Pakistan are going to be a massive problem.
Is this in anyway manageable one wonders!
originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
Japan's cases on the rise:
Hospitals in Japan are increasingly turning away sick people as the country struggles with surging coronavirus infections and its emergency medical system collapses. On Saturday, the number of cases rose from 9,239 yesterday to 9,795 and there have now been 220 deaths from the virus, up from 136 deaths on Friday. With an addition of 712 others from a cruise ship quarantined near Tokyo earlier this year, Japan now has 10,507 cases altogether. Nearly one-third of the domestic cases come from Tokyo, where the daily surge has overburdened hospitals.
www.dailymail.co.uk...
I understand what you are saying about the borders but if left open and many are soft ones then that's still going to be a problem in terms of infection spread and containment. Won't travel to and from Africa, India & Pakistan need to be tightly controlled and curtailed otherwise the US, EU & UK could be hit with new waves? Will those carrying HIV in Africa (60% if true) survive the infection because their immune systems will be weak will they not? I think its a nightmare scenario and weak links (and there will be some) will be a problem. Not confident!
originally posted by: Byrd
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Its not just going to be a case of the world helping with the virus but also a case of ensuring borders are closed off and the continent itself. Africa's HIV problem will ensure that the death toll is like you said staggering. India & Pakistan are going to be a massive problem.
Is this in anyway manageable one wonders!
Closing off the borders is not actually possible unless you stick countries in glass containers. And even that's not going to help, because countries have resources that others need (Africa, for instance, produces a lot of the ores that we use in our high tech equipment.) We need to be able to sell our surplus and buy surplus from other places.
Is it "manageable"? Yes... but no. It's a "superwicked problem" (my favorite class of problems) which means you can't "solve" the whole thing but you can solve parts and change the problem in some ways. Getting a vaccine and a good treatment for it will reduce the problem to where you can safely manage imports and exports and other exchanges. And best of all, it will give us a pattern for handling the next pandemic.... because there will be a next one.
originally posted by: pasiphae
a reply to: Byrd
Not sure if you saw my reply to your comment yesterday that the virus is not found in blood
"Twenty patients had two to six specimens collected at the same time. Viral RNA was detected in single specimens from six patients (respiratory specimens, feces, or blood). Seven patients shed live virus in respiratory specimens, 5 in feces (2 of whom did not have diarrhea), and 2 in blood."
www.cidrap.umn.edu...
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I understand what you are saying about the borders but if left open and many are soft ones then that's still going to be a problem in terms of infection spread and containment.
Won't travel to and from Africa, India & Pakistan need to be tightly controlled and curtailed otherwise the US, EU & UK could be hit with new waves?
Will those carrying HIV in Africa (60% if true) survive the infection because their immune systems will be weak will they not?
I think its a nightmare scenario and weak links (and there will be some) will be a problem. Not confident!
BOSTON — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now “actively looking into” results from universal COVID-19 testing at Pine Street Inn homeless shelter. The broad-scale testing took place at the shelter in Boston’s South End a week and a half ago because of a small cluster of cases there. Of the 397 people tested, 146 people tested positive. Not a single one had any symptoms. “It was like a double knockout punch. The number of positives was shocking, but the fact that 100 percent of the positives had no symptoms was equally shocking,” said Dr. Jim O’Connell
originally posted by: pasiphae
Not sure if this was posted and I missed it....
CDC reviewing ‘stunning’ universal testing results from Boston homeless shelter
BOSTON — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now “actively looking into” results from universal COVID-19 testing at Pine Street Inn homeless shelter. The broad-scale testing took place at the shelter in Boston’s South End a week and a half ago because of a small cluster of cases there. Of the 397 people tested, 146 people tested positive. Not a single one had any symptoms. “It was like a double knockout punch. The number of positives was shocking, but the fact that 100 percent of the positives had no symptoms was equally shocking,” said Dr. Jim O’Connell
www.boston25news.com... Y-yKX8kw9kJrvsGnfzE5SRcOawRqaIdkAuE-yWXi50wDvN8751rsg
What is the true % of HIV infections in Africa I wonder? I did not say that the weak immune system helps but suggested the opposite would be the case. "Will those carrying HIV in Africa survive the infection because their immune systems will be weak will they not?"
originally posted by: Byrd
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I understand what you are saying about the borders but if left open and many are soft ones then that's still going to be a problem in terms of infection spread and containment.
Agreed... but it's also a problem in first world countries if you consider "borders" as between states or between cities or even between neighborhoods. At a microscopic level, that's what's happening in the world.
So... we may say here in Dallas that we're going to keep Highland Park (richest area) free from Big Germ - but schools in the area need employees other than the Rich People and if you want a hospital or an electronics store... there aren't any in Highland Park, so you have to go somewhere else.
That analogy is true for cities and for the world.
Won't travel to and from Africa, India & Pakistan need to be tightly controlled and curtailed otherwise the US, EU & UK could be hit with new waves?
It's not just those countries. It's every country and every area with poor (and underserved) populations. So here in America, the poorest neighborhoods... or Native American reservations or even certain environments like public beaches could be the center for any new wave.
Will those carrying HIV in Africa (60% if true) survive the infection because their immune systems will be weak will they not?
That percentage is WAY off. And I'm not sure why you think a weak immune system helps. HIV patients are at particular risk during this pandemic.
I think its a nightmare scenario and weak links (and there will be some) will be a problem. Not confident!
Agreed.
BUT... h. sapiens is the toughest organism on the planet AND we're clever. We'll dig our way out of this eventually, even if it takes decades. We survived the far worse -- the Black Plague comes to mind. Now that we have far better medicine and an understanding of epidemiology, we can change the outcome to where this and subsequent pandemics don't kill off one third to two thirds (estimate of Europe's deaths from the Black Plague) of the population at one go.
The bump in coronavirus cases is most pronounced in states without stay at home orders. Oklahoma saw a 53% increase in cases over the past week, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. Over same time, cases jumped 60% in Arkansas, 74% in Nebraska, and 82% in Iowa. South Dakota saw a whopping 205% spike.
LOS ANGELES – The Los Angeles County Department of Public Health (Public Health) has confirmed 81 new deaths and 642 new cases of 2019 Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19). This is the highest number of daily reported deaths in LA County to date, and the total number of deaths attributed to COVID-19 almost doubled this past week.
originally posted by: butcherguy
CDC says that you can’t get coronavirus from grocery packaging.
M SN.com
Let me get this straight.
We know that the virus survived on surfaces for 17 days on that cruise ship.
Now the guys that told us not to wear masks because they don’t help... are telling us that we can’t catch the virus from contaminated surfaces.... but they urge us to wear masks to the grocery store and wash our hands?
Pardon me if I choose not to trust the CDC.
DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran allowed some businesses in the capital Tehran to re-open on Saturday as the country's daily death toll from the new coronavirus fell to 73, its lowest in more than a month. So-called low-risk businesses - including many shops, factories and workshops - resumed operations in Tehran, a week after re-opening in the rest of the country, state television said. Television footage showed health inspectors visiting shops and reminding a baker that he was required to wear a mask despite working near a hot oven. Others inspectors were seen controlling stores where employees handed out gloves to customers. The re-opening, announced earlier this month, came as official figures showed daily deaths from the new coronavirus fell to 73 on Saturday, the lowest since March 12. That brought the total death toll to 5,031, health ministry spokesman Kianush Jahanpour said. Saturday marked the fifth consecutive day with a death toll under 100 in Iran, one of the worst-hit countries in the Middle East. The total number of people diagnosed with COVID-19, the disease caused by the new virus, reached 80,868 as the country recorded 1,374 new cases in the past 24 hours, the spokesman said on state TV. Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said in a fatwa, or religious ruling, that believers may abstain from fasting during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan if it threatens their health. "The fast is a religious necessity and a pillar of Islamic law and it is not permissible to abstain from fasting ...unless one has a rational belief that fasting may cause a sickness, worsen a disease or prolong it," Khamenei said in the ruling published on his official website.