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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: FosterVS
Is verified USAF officer & Area 51 employee David Freehoff also lying? He confirmed Bob's story about a blacked out bus heading South with a select group of employees to S-4 (confirmed by name)
Even with pictures that show water eroded channels cut into a hillside, that appear on all the hills around it as well
Woah there, that isn't accurate at all. The anomaly doesn't appear anywhere else in the referenced source image or in any other that I can find. I know because I have been scouring non-GE imagery for months trying to debunk/discredit these findings. Show me where you're talking about
And water absolutely does not start halfway up a hillside and end part way down it. Does the water run horizontally also? And those features are verifiably *not* present on any other hillside near Groom/Papoose lake or around the NTS. Can you take a screen shot and show me where on NASA's original source image or my edited version that you're referencing?
I am serious, I have been looking for evidence to debunk the photo for months now. Haven't found any. If you can, now is your chance to put this whole image business to rest!
Or a goat trail that sort-of/kind-of goes near the area. The desert takes forever to heal, and a lot of those trails were trails cut in by pioneers or prospectors with covered wagons.
Not true. Why aren't these "goat trails" visible elsewhere? What is shown are Not goat trails. Those aren't resolvable from ~200 miles up. Look at the upper limit of satellite imaging resolution (real satellite imaging) and you'll see that's not possible. Although I am sure such trails are near by, the 2X2 tracks of a vehicle are plainly visible running near and directly around the site Bob labeled S-4. You see plenty of tire tracks but zero foot prints/animal tracks/etc because despite the propaganda there is no satellite that can read the print on your newspaper from space or anywhere near that level of detail.
Again, how did he know this location would just so happen to have these anomalies? For an area with no activity, there sure are an awful lot of roads leading to and from it. And what is the point of that anyhow? NTS employees aren't allowed at Groom and Groom employees have no reason to go to NTS. Or Papoose, if the chorus is to be believed.
Lest we not forget this all could have been disproven on day 1 if the government would have simply taken photos close-up of the "non-restricted" "non secret" area and countered Bob's story? I suppose they just enjoy giving the public the millionth +1 reason not to trust them and giving us the "false" perception that they really are all just liars, crooks and thieves. One issue at a time though, why don't we start with the included image and move on to roads next? Then how about we look at the witnesses, individually, and determine their credibility.
originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
I am sure Bob Lazar rightly thought that how good the food was at S-4 was unimportant compared to the work he was doing there.
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: FosterVS
Thanks for the reply FosterVS
Again I want to reiterate I am an admirer of your work, and I do not want to give the false impression I want to cast doubt on any of that. I think that collaboration, concerted analysis and plenty of data is always the way forward including here
In this case, the best I can offer is some new data points, non-expert analysis and general observations
Here is the unedited version of my blue red image (I have 4 NASA images total, at least 2 have never been looked at before here on ATS):
eol.jsc.nasa.gov...
This is by far the highest resolution of the 4
files.abovetopsecret.com...
This is my edited version, only color/contrast amd those type settings were used to highlight the area of interest
I did indeed see Captain Freehoff on Ancient Aliens, but I do not feel that should be used to impugn his credibility. In this specific instance, he does confirm the group heading to S-4 (not including Lazar while he was there) boarded the bus and headed South while he and others headed North to the red hat hangars
I am aware of the Site Four radar installation up North, but this is not what Freehoff stated. Although he did say he had no clue what went on down there. This wouldn't be the first time they used the same or very similar names to mislead/provide deniability/etc
I will repost the other three images as well. If you have imagery people that would be excellent! If this can be debunked I would be the first to disavow my previous beliefs and adjust them to match the facts
I have no interest in redeeming Lazar, and only want to know the truth. I also realize that *if* there is a facility at Papoose it stop far shy of vindicating Lazar or confirming anything about saucers
Again Foster thank you for your contributions to this area of study, as well as any analysis on this evidence. Whether it's debunked or appears to merritt further research, I will rest easy knowing a credible, reliable and capable investigator/researcher is on the case
originally posted by: Drunkenparrot
a reply to: JBurns
Hi JBurns, not sure if you are aware or not but ATS members FosterVS along with Shadowhawk and Gariac ( with honorable mention to Zaphod) aren’t just keyboard warrior types parroting YouTube rumors about Groom. He has spent a lot of time over the last few years camping places like freedom ridge and poking around the Nevada desert between Groom lake and Tonapah. I’m not suggesting his opinions are gospel, healthy skepticism of random internet posters should always be questioned but his perspective is often first hand. If you haven’t already click on the Facebook link to the area51 riders in his signature, he’s got some good stuff.
originally posted by: Drunkenparrot
originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
I am sure Bob Lazar rightly thought that how good the food was at S-4 was unimportant compared to the work he was doing there.
That’s a good point,
Bob also didn’t mention the quality of the food at the brothel he was operating during the same time he was working on reverse engineering extraterrestrial vehicles for the U.S. Government.
To my knowledge he has also never commented on the food at the Clark County detention facility when he was charged with aiding and abetting a prostitution ring or after his conviction when he plead guilty to felony pandering charges.
Makes sense, I’d say that looks like a ringer....
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: FosterVS
Here is the unedited version of my blue red image (I have 4 NASA images total, at least 2 have never been looked at before here on ATS):
eol.jsc.nasa.gov...
originally posted by: JBurns
Keep in mind, these are all extremely shrunk/reduced quality images to facilitate upload to ATS. Full resolution are available and I am still looking for a host.