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So Hunter Biden having his daddy get him a job in Ukraine that he had no qualifications for seems ok to you?
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Sookiechacha
That is the reason they wanted him out.
And obviously it was not Joe Biden acting on behalf of himself, when the international community at large wanted this corrupt criminal out.
But its convenient for trump to vilify Biden and try and make it look like there's something here.
This attempt to get dirt on an opponent is going to backfire on him big time.
It looks like this is the reason that Dan Coats quit in the first place.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler
There is no proof trump extorted Ukraine
There is evidence Biden did
There's plenty of evidence that Trump did.
There is no evidence that Biden did what he is being accused of, which is bribing the Ukrainian president to protect his son. There is evidence that Biden lobbied on behalf of the Obama Administration, and was authorized to use US loan guarantees as leverage, on behalf of Western values in the Ukraine.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler
There is no proof trump extorted Ukraine
There is evidence Biden did
There's plenty of evidence that Trump did.
There is no evidence that Biden did what he is being accused of, which is bribing the Ukrainian president to protect his son. There is evidence that Biden lobbied on behalf of the Obama Administration, and was authorized to use US loan guarantees as leverage, on behalf of Western values in the Ukraine.
Hunter Biden had 0 experience in the field that the Ukranian company paid him millions to be on their board of directors.
Biden received a bachelor's degree from Georgetown University and a Juris Doctor from Yale Law Schoo
From 2001 to 2008, Biden was a founding partner of Oldaker, Biden, and Belair, LLP, a Washington DC-based law firm.[9] He also served as a partner and board member of the mergers and acquisitions firm Eudora Global. Biden was chief executive officer, and later chairman, of the hedge fund Paradigm Global Advisors, founded in 1991 by Dr. James Park. At MBNA, a major US bank, Biden was employed as a senior vice president.[8] Following that, Biden was appointed by Bill Clinton to serve in the United States Department of Commerce[8] under Secretaries Norman Mineta and William M. Daley. He was director of E-commerce policy issues in the Department of Commerce.
We don’t know what the whistle blower is saying happened
yea! He was doing so great here that he decided f it, I'm moving to the Ukraine!
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Scepticaldem
Hunter Biden had 0 experience in the field that the Ukranian company paid him millions to be on their board of directors.
LOL
NOW you're worried about a person's experience? Hello?
At any rate...
Biden received a bachelor's degree from Georgetown University and a Juris Doctor from Yale Law Schoo
From 2001 to 2008, Biden was a founding partner of Oldaker, Biden, and Belair, LLP, a Washington DC-based law firm.[9] He also served as a partner and board member of the mergers and acquisitions firm Eudora Global. Biden was chief executive officer, and later chairman, of the hedge fund Paradigm Global Advisors, founded in 1991 by Dr. James Park. At MBNA, a major US bank, Biden was employed as a senior vice president.[8] Following that, Biden was appointed by Bill Clinton to serve in the United States Department of Commerce[8] under Secretaries Norman Mineta and William M. Daley. He was director of E-commerce policy issues in the Department of Commerce.
en.wikipedia.org...
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Sookiechacha
Yes it could be bad
Perhaps trump promises to withhold aid until they got rid of the prosecutors that let Biden go free
But as long as trump just says “oh it wasn’t about Biden, it’s that this prosecutor was bad aside from that”
Then you will admit this is perfectly legitimate, right?
en.wikipedia.org...
Shokin was appointed General Prosecutor of Ukraine on 10 February 2015. He became deeply unpopular and was accused of blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and hindering the fight against corruption in Ukraine. Various street protests demanding Shokin's resignation were held and his Deputy Prosecutor, Vitaly Kasko, resigned on 15 February 2016 denouncing the corruption and lawlessness of the Prosecutor's office. US Vice-President Joe Biden lobbied for Shokin resignation and the Obama Administration withheld a billion dollars in loan guarantees for the time Shokin held office.
Prosecutor General Shokin on 16 February 2016 submitted a letter of resignation. Although the next day an official of the prosecution office stated "As far as I know he has taken a paid leave". On 19 February 2016 presidential press secretary Sviatoslav Tsegolko wrote on Twitter that the presidential administration had received an official letter of resignation from Shokin. On 16 March 2016 an official of the prosecution office stated that Shokin had resumed his work. On 16 March 2016 Shokin had not been formally dismissed. Shokin was formally dismissed in a parliamentary vote on 29 March 2016. Following his dismissal Shokin went into retirement.
www.irishtimes.com...
The European Union has welcomed the dismissal of Ukraine’s scandal-ridden prosecutor general and called for a crackdown on corruption, even as the country’s political crisis deepened over efforts to form a new ruling coalition and appoint a new prime minister.
Ukraine’s parliament voted overwhelmingly to fire Viktor Shokin, ridding the beleaguered prosecutor’s office of a figure who is accused of blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and stymying moves to root out graft.
“This decision creates an opportunity to make a fresh start in the prosecutor general’s office. I hope that the new prosecutor general will ensure that [his] office . . . becomes independent from political influence and pressure and enjoys public trust,” said Jan Tombinski, the EU’s envoy to Ukraine.
“There is still a lack of tangible results of investigations into serious cases . . . as well as investigations of high-level officials within the prosecutor general’s office,” he added.
Minister of Foreign Affairs Vadym Prystaiko denies the information that U.S. state leader Donald Trump puts pressure on Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky. The Head of the Ministry stated that during the interview with Hromadske on the occasion of The Wall Street Journal publication. The article told about Trump reportedly asked Zelensky to help Giuliani to investigate the work of Joe Biden's son in Ukraine.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler
Why do you keep ignoring the facts of the actual situation of the time? Do you take cues from Rudy Giuliani?
en.wikipedia.org...
Shokin was appointed General Prosecutor of Ukraine on 10 February 2015. He became deeply unpopular and was accused of blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and hindering the fight against corruption in Ukraine. Various street protests demanding Shokin's resignation were held and his Deputy Prosecutor, Vitaly Kasko, resigned on 15 February 2016 denouncing the corruption and lawlessness of the Prosecutor's office. US Vice-President Joe Biden lobbied for Shokin resignation and the Obama Administration withheld a billion dollars in loan guarantees for the time Shokin held office.
Prosecutor General Shokin on 16 February 2016 submitted a letter of resignation. Although the next day an official of the prosecution office stated "As far as I know he has taken a paid leave". On 19 February 2016 presidential press secretary Sviatoslav Tsegolko wrote on Twitter that the presidential administration had received an official letter of resignation from Shokin. On 16 March 2016 an official of the prosecution office stated that Shokin had resumed his work. On 16 March 2016 Shokin had not been formally dismissed. Shokin was formally dismissed in a parliamentary vote on 29 March 2016. Following his dismissal Shokin went into retirement.
And...
www.irishtimes.com...
The European Union has welcomed the dismissal of Ukraine’s scandal-ridden prosecutor general and called for a crackdown on corruption, even as the country’s political crisis deepened over efforts to form a new ruling coalition and appoint a new prime minister.
Ukraine’s parliament voted overwhelmingly to fire Viktor Shokin, ridding the beleaguered prosecutor’s office of a figure who is accused of blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and stymying moves to root out graft.
“This decision creates an opportunity to make a fresh start in the prosecutor general’s office. I hope that the new prosecutor general will ensure that [his] office . . . becomes independent from political influence and pressure and enjoys public trust,” said Jan Tombinski, the EU’s envoy to Ukraine.
“There is still a lack of tangible results of investigations into serious cases . . . as well as investigations of high-level officials within the prosecutor general’s office,” he added.
Biden admitted they would not fire shokin until he threatened them with a billion dollars.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler
Why do you keep ignoring the facts of the actual situation of the time? Do you take cues from Rudy Giuliani?
en.wikipedia.org...
Shokin was appointed General Prosecutor of Ukraine on 10 February 2015. He became deeply unpopular and was accused of blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and hindering the fight against corruption in Ukraine. Various street protests demanding Shokin's resignation were held and his Deputy Prosecutor, Vitaly Kasko, resigned on 15 February 2016 denouncing the corruption and lawlessness of the Prosecutor's office. US Vice-President Joe Biden lobbied for Shokin resignation and the Obama Administration withheld a billion dollars in loan guarantees for the time Shokin held office.
Prosecutor General Shokin on 16 February 2016 submitted a letter of resignation. Although the next day an official of the prosecution office stated "As far as I know he has taken a paid leave". On 19 February 2016 presidential press secretary Sviatoslav Tsegolko wrote on Twitter that the presidential administration had received an official letter of resignation from Shokin. On 16 March 2016 an official of the prosecution office stated that Shokin had resumed his work. On 16 March 2016 Shokin had not been formally dismissed. Shokin was formally dismissed in a parliamentary vote on 29 March 2016. Following his dismissal Shokin went into retirement.
And...
www.irishtimes.com...
The European Union has welcomed the dismissal of Ukraine’s scandal-ridden prosecutor general and called for a crackdown on corruption, even as the country’s political crisis deepened over efforts to form a new ruling coalition and appoint a new prime minister.
Ukraine’s parliament voted overwhelmingly to fire Viktor Shokin, ridding the beleaguered prosecutor’s office of a figure who is accused of blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and stymying moves to root out graft.
“This decision creates an opportunity to make a fresh start in the prosecutor general’s office. I hope that the new prosecutor general will ensure that [his] office . . . becomes independent from political influence and pressure and enjoys public trust,” said Jan Tombinski, the EU’s envoy to Ukraine.
“There is still a lack of tangible results of investigations into serious cases . . . as well as investigations of high-level officials within the prosecutor general’s office,” he added.
Doesnt seem shady at all right?
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Scepticaldem
Doesnt seem shady at all right?
So?
Your curiosity doesn't justify the President of the United States holding needed military aid over a foreign leader's head, while demanding they work with the president's personal attorney and open an investigation into the president's political opponent.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Scepticaldem
Doesnt seem shady at all right?
So?
Your curiosity doesn't justify the President of the United States holding needed military aid over a foreign leader's head, while demanding they work with the president's personal attorney and open an investigation into the president's political opponent.
Proof please
The Ukrainian foreign minister says no pressure was out in them
A senior adviser to Ukraine’s interior minister said the country is prepared to investigate Joe Biden’s son Hunter, but only if there is a formal request from President Trump.
“As soon as there is an official request," Ukraine will look into the matter, but “currently there is no open investigation,” Anton Geraschenko told the Daily Beast.
.....
“Clearly, Trump is now looking for kompromat to discredit his opponent Biden, to take revenge for his friend Paul Manafort, who is serving seven years in prison,” said Geraschenko, using the Russian term for blackmail.
“We do not investigate Biden in Ukraine, since we have not received a single official request to do so,” he said.