Pompeo to UK: Don't use Huawei or you will lose sharing of intel!

originally posted by: pexx421

As opposed to the us where when companies get big enough they just buy the govt. and then use that govt to attack their competition, which this is an example of.

Yes, keep going with this. Any evidence? There are several big players in telecommunications. Which ones have bought the government?

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Use Cisco instead, we have all the backdoors for those!
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What a time to be alive, they do not even care to hide their plans anymore.. And now its not just us lowlies being peons, but whole nations are being bullyed to be peons.

Huawei is direct access to China. No one should give any intel to anyone using Huawei unless they want China to have it.

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
The replies on this thread are astounding to me, why are you people so willing and meek in letting anyone have access to your data? It's pathetic, and if you think you can trust the US anymore than you can China, you must have rocks in your head

Then build your own secure platform, simple. The replies are indeed astounding.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: pexx421

As opposed to the us where when companies get big enough they just buy the govt. and then use that govt to attack their competition, which this is an example of.

Yes, keep going with this. Any evidence? There are several big players in telecommunications. Which ones have bought the government?

Evidence? You are asking if I have evidence that large corporate powers use lobbyists to push legislation that limits their competition?

So there are innumerable examples, both historical and current. What comes to mind now is an article I recently read on the hemp producing companies lobbying to keep marijuana illegal because it would compete with their cbd oil profits.

There’s the pharmaceutical industry wich gave billy tauzin, r-la massive campaign donations and then a multi million annual contract after he left congress for pushing through the Medicare expansion act disallowing the us from negotiating drug prices so now we pay 1000’s of times what other nations pay for simple meds.

Here close to home where I live, and involving telecoms specifically, they are lobbying hard to keep energy co-ops from rural areas from providing internet services that would compete with theirs, despite the fact that they largely refuse to provide high speed internet to those areas.

It really does go on and on.

originally posted by: Ohanka
Huawei is nothing more than a front for Chinese Intelligence, so this isn't an unreasonable request in the slightest.

... and Cisco isn't in bed with the NSA?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Ohanka
Huawei is nothing more than a front for Chinese Intelligence, so this isn't an unreasonable request in the slightest.

... and Cisco isn't in bed with the NSA?

From what I understand only the TDS OP said anything about CISCO. With that said, if the choice is China or the US getting US intelligence, I choose the US, since we already have it.

Neither side is good, but you rather have good spies than bad spies. Sorry, buddy. US is also guilty at sabotage and espionage before start of war. The only worthy country to be getting spied on is Canada because they don't do # to piss people off.

US can shutdown everyone's internet.

Syria internet down before war

NSA cisco backdoor

Having neutrality is better than being spied on by one group.

Even Russia is starting to have its own version of internet

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Ohanka
Huawei is nothing more than a front for Chinese Intelligence, so this isn't an unreasonable request in the slightest.

... and Cisco isn't in bed with the NSA?

From what I understand only the TDS OP said anything about CISCO. With that said, if the choice is China or the US getting US intelligence, I choose the US, since we already have it.

Umm, The telecommunication standards for 5G were set by the ITU. They are international standards and there is no reason that manufacture of back-end equipment could not be handled entirely in-country, with Britain making its own kit. Definitely some of the tech was engineered in the University of Surrey.

The first country to roll out 5G was South Korea, so there's that. Perhaps the US and China could buy from Samsung?

But, honestly, this is a whole lot of FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) marketing. They could avoid US or Chinese equipment entirely and still cobble together a 5G capable network.

a reply to: chr0naut

US owns Samsung

Samsung is not exactly neutral and it is still under occupation by US military due to Korean war. We'll see when the day Europeans countries and Russia has its own system.

originally posted by: makemap
a reply to: chr0naut

US owns Samsung

Samsung is not exactly neutral and it is still under occupation by US military due to Korean war. We'll see when the day Europeans countries and Russia has its own system.

That isn't the case.

I could cite several models of recent Samsung 'phones that are available only outside the US due to incompatibilities between them and the current US standards.

4G telephony was introduced in 2009, and picked up fairly quickly world wide but there are still massive chunks of the US that don't get 4G yet. 10 years!

originally posted by: pexx421
Evidence? You are asking if I have evidence that large corporate powers use lobbyists to push legislation that limits their competition?

OK. That may happen to an extent across all industries but is relevant to the US only. Regardless, the question is whether any of these large telecommunications companies in West have influenced the policy of a number of nations not to deal with Huawai? Your assertion is that is what is happening. So, where's the evidence that's the case?

More plausibly is the genuine concern that national telecommunications networks will end up being run by a company with links to the Chinese State, thus ostensibly run by the Chinese state. Such access people fear, will put the Chinese State in a position where they could compromise those nations without them even knowing. Chinese behaviour around the theft of IP and their commercial practices are examples of the Chinese State's contempt for the rest of the world.

Why risk it?

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: pexx421
Evidence? You are asking if I have evidence that large corporate powers use lobbyists to push legislation that limits their competition?

OK. That may happen to an extent across all industries but is relevant to the US only. Regardless, the question is whether any of these large telecommunications companies in West have influenced the policy of a number of nations not to deal with Huawai? Your assertion is that is what is happening. So, where's the evidence that's the case?

US ambassador in Berlin urges Germany to cut ties with Huawei or risk losing access to intelligence

This is a HUGE topic in Germany, as Grenell is really a not very good ambassador but more of a bully - always demanding things to happen. This is not gonna happen, though. At least, I hope so!

What an idiot. Could the USofA please recall him? He is antagonizing and overall a very bad diplomat. He gives a weak performance.

a reply to: ManFromEurope

This is political pressure, but succinctly why would you (US), want to share sensitive intelligence with a country (Germany), whose entire telecommunications network is controlled indirectly by the Chinese State, through their association with Huawei. That's the root of this...

Anyway, if you research this you'll also find Germany's Federal Intelligence Service (the Bundesnachrichtendienst) also advise that Huawei is a security nightmare and should not be touched, even with a very long barge pole.

I don't understand 5G but can any state comprimise UK telecoms? MI5 placed 'black boxes' at every junction back in the 70s and it's been updated every few years since. Plus UK can remotely control any thorium based nuclear reactor in China which gives us a bit of leverage against them.

The UK military etc run on their own Internet back bone, so that's a non issue.

British households have had Huawei tech in the form of routers etc for well over a decade and there have been no problems so far.

Chinese firms are building/financing nuclear power plants and even own a water company or two. No concerns have really been raised about that either.

The US relies more on uk Intel than the other way around. The UK has one of the best and most wide spread spy networks in the world.

This is all about the self induced trade war the U.S. has with China. Nothing more, nothing less.

China relies on foreign trade and to think it would go to war or destroy financially a country that it relies on trade money from is ridiculous nonsense.

If the uk or U.S. had no money to buy stuff from China, how would that be of benefit to China?

To add, who was it that tapped the phone of Angela merkel? Who is known for spying on their own people as well as the uk and people in other nations? That was the us, not China.

a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

Of course there is no issue, if you are China.

The Bloomberg story quoted Vodafone security reports dating back to 2009-12, which said the telecoms company had found “telnet services, which Bloomberg said could be used to remotely control devices and give Huawei access to sensitive data”.

www.theguardian.com...

originally posted by: pexx421
To add, who was it that tapped the phone of Angela merkel? Who is known for spying on their own people as well as the uk and people in other nations? That was the us, not China.

And Obama should suffer for that.

But if war breaks out, it will not be the US attacking the UK.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The likelihood of China attacking the uk is as great as the likelihood of the us attacking the uk.

And let’s be clear here. If war does “break out” it would be the us starting it. And Europe and the uk would be idiots to join the us in that war.