Stonehenge: DNA reveals origin of builders

Stonehenge: DNA reveals origin of builders
(BBC.com)

The ancestors of the people who built Stonehenge travelled west across the Mediterranean before reaching Britain, a study has shown.

Researchers compared DNA extracted from Neolithic human remains found across Britain with that of people alive at the same time in Europe.

The Neolithic inhabitants were descended from populations originating in Anatolia (modern Turkey) that moved to Iberia before heading north.

No mention of any connections to the peoples who built Gobekli Tepe, lol. The article includes some facial reconstructions of peoples who populated ancient Britain. These people were the first farmers to reach the British isles, displacing the earlier Neolithic hunter gatherers that occupied those lands.

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
Stonehenge: DNA reveals origin of builders
(BBC.com)

The ancestors of the people who built Stonehenge travelled west across the Mediterranean before reaching Britain, a study has shown.

Researchers compared DNA extracted from Neolithic human remains found across Britain with that of people alive at the same time in Europe.

The Neolithic inhabitants were descended from populations originating in Anatolia (modern Turkey) that moved to Iberia before heading north.

No mention of any connections to the peoples who built Gobekli Tepe, lol. The article includes some facial reconstructions of peoples who populated ancient Britain. These people were the first farmers to reach the British isles, displacing the earlier Neolithic hunter gatherers that occupied those lands.

Awesome news and great information. It’s slow going but some of the gaps in our knowledge of Neolithic migrations are being filled in so this is really great. I echo your thoughts on the lack of association or providence with GT but the fact that there are yes burials associated w/ GT makes that a difficult leap. There is however hope as some skull fragments have been found in fill pits at GT. Whether the remains are associated with the culture who built GT or are sacrificial remains from a skull veneration cult is up in the air, the fact that there are remains that could potentially contain viable genetics for comparison is promising and it would be great to see if there is any type of genetic relationship between the scant remains found at GT and the genetics uncovered in association with Stonehenge could fill in more blanks or even better, give us new questions and new directions to look at.

More pertaining to the cranial fragments found at GT- advances.sciencemag.org...

Well that was said tongue in cheek, considering some 7,000+ years separate Gobekli and Stonehenge, although there are henges spread throughout Europe that may have been this same westward expanding people. (And if not the people themselves then their customs).

a reply to: Blackmarketeer


Fair enough but the migration pattern could have origins in people associated w GT. I just find it a fascinating angle to look at Neolithic migrations from.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Interestingly enough, the remnents of Troy, were said to follow that very course and found
London.

The pictures aren't right, pixies have pointed ears.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

in fact, Londons original name was New Troy, Troy for those unaware, was in Anotolia, modern Turkey

First farmers you say? This is a very interesting finding. That study of Stonehenge could help with context at Gobleki Tepe is fascinating as a possibility.

And then there's this.

Archeologists believe that stonehenge was built between 3000 BC and 2000 BC. There is much debate as to what stonehenge really was but most people believe it was a astrological calendar that was used to measure the cyclical nature of the universe, basically an ancient calendar of the stars. A Russian website has posted images of Stonehenge being rebuilt in the early 1900’s.

The only thing is our history says nothing about a rebuild. Here are some images of the reconstruction.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

I agree kind of like comparing apples to oranges,whole different scenario

It is possible that the migrations would have included the decendents from the builders of Gobekli Tepe, if the proposal that the builders of Stonehenge came out of Turkey from a westward expansion along the Mediterranean. The timescales of migration across Europe are looooong, so doubtless cultures would have changed as they moved on.

a reply to: Artemis12

Contrary to the Harris Journal's claims, the restoration work conducted on Stonehenge has been very well documented, with names and detailed accounts readily available from multiple sources.

Wikipedia provides a good overview with citations from a pool of (currently) 97 reference works:

Stonehenge: Archaeological research and restoration

The very existence of so many publicly available photographs, and not just on a Russian website (which got them from somewhere, given that Stonehenge is not in Russia), argues against the claim that "our history says nothing about a rebuild".

Maybe their history is silent, but the rest of the world's history says a great deal about the series of rebuilds that took place.

What that history has to say, however, is only audible to those willing to listen to it.

originally posted by: Artemis12
And then there's this.

Archeologists believe that stonehenge was built between 3000 BC and 2000 BC. There is much debate as to what stonehenge really was but most people believe it was a astrological calendar that was used to measure the cyclical nature of the universe, basically an ancient calendar of the stars. A Russian website has posted images of Stonehenge being rebuilt in the early 1900’s.

The only thing is our history says nothing about a rebuild. Here are some images of the reconstruction.

So very sad that you were unable to research this properly.

Please, let me help you.

Here is a free pdf, published by English Heritage, the current guardians of Stonehenge, detailing the restoration works that were done.
It contains pictures from before, after and during the restorations. It explains, in detail, who did what and why.

research.historicengland.org.uk...

originally posted by: rickymouse
The pictures aren't right, pixies have pointed ears.

Vulcans from Turkey. Nothing wrong with the pics. They were good walkers.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

I don't understand all the attention to essentially a circle of large rocks,when much larger and much more precise in construction that was built in far older times,just like the media false flag to lead you off course to the supposed"cave man" days,and there is far more buried deep under the earth,evidently we are recycled

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
Stonehenge: DNA reveals origin of builders
(BBC.com)

The ancestors of the people who built Stonehenge travelled west across the Mediterranean before reaching Britain, a study has shown.

Researchers compared DNA extracted from Neolithic human remains found across Britain with that of people alive at the same time in Europe.

The Neolithic inhabitants were descended from populations originating in Anatolia (modern Turkey) that moved to Iberia before heading north.

No mention of any connections to the peoples who built Gobekli Tepe, lol. The article includes some facial reconstructions of peoples who populated ancient Britain. These people were the first farmers to reach the British isles, displacing the earlier Neolithic hunter gatherers that occupied those lands.

Typical non sequitur by publicity-seeking researchers. Please note that the DNA was NOT extracted from remains found under the stones at Stonehenge. Oh, no! It was extracted from Neolothic people's remains scattered across Britain. How on earth does that tell us anything reliable about the builders of Stonehenge - just one small area of Britain? It assumes (although they will never tell you that) that the builders were typical inhabitants of Britain, not newcomers from some far-off corner spreading their superior megalithic culture, astronomical knowledge, etc amongst the local peasants.
So I take this finding with a pinch of salt.

originally posted by: micpsi

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
Stonehenge: DNA reveals origin of builders
(BBC.com)

The ancestors of the people who built Stonehenge travelled west across the Mediterranean before reaching Britain, a study has shown.

Researchers compared DNA extracted from Neolithic human remains found across Britain with that of people alive at the same time in Europe.

The Neolithic inhabitants were descended from populations originating in Anatolia (modern Turkey) that moved to Iberia before heading north.

No mention of any connections to the peoples who built Gobekli Tepe, lol. The article includes some facial reconstructions of peoples who populated ancient Britain. These people were the first farmers to reach the British isles, displacing the earlier Neolithic hunter gatherers that occupied those lands.

Typical non sequitur by publicity-seeking researchers. Please note that the DNA was NOT extracted from remains found under the stones at Stonehenge. Oh, no! It was extracted from Neolothic people's remains scattered across Britain. How on earth does that tell us anything reliable about the builders of Stonehenge - just one small area of Britain? It assumes (although they will never tell you that) that the builders were typical inhabitants of Britain, not newcomers from some far-off corner spreading their superior megalithic culture, astronomical knowledge, etc amongst the local peasants.
So I take this finding with a pinch of salt.

If you read the original research you will see that they had the dna of 6 mesolithic bodies and 67 from the neolithic. From across the whole of britain.

My personal opinion is that this is not enough to prove a population replacement at the mesolithic/neolithic boundary. And with recent discoveries at Blick mead it seems improbable that there was no connection between the mesolithic peoples of the stonehenge area, and the neolithic people.
Furthermore it has always been supposed that farming came from the near east/mediteranean area, and was imported into britain.

The original paper on the dna for those that are interested.

www.researchgate.net...

I recently saw a documentary about archeological findings and testings and it seems that the whole area, not only Stonehenge monument, was used as a giantic religious 'festival' where people of all over the land and europe gathered every year.
No wonder that different dna is found there.

a reply to: Artemis12
The cars and crane shown look far too modern to be early 1900,s.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Got a native title claim to Britain coming up have we ??