New Zealand to ban semi-automatic weapons

Speaking to media in Wellington this morning, Ardern stressed that "now was the time for change."

Ardern said five guns were used by the primary perpetrator, including two semi-automatic weapons, and two shotguns.

"The offender was in possession of a gun licence," Ardern said.

She said the guns were purchased in December last year.

"While work is being done as to the chain of events that lead to both the holding of this gun licence and the possession of these weapons, I can tell you one thing right now; our gun laws will change."

New Zealand to ban semi-automatic weapons

Following in the footsteps of Australia and Great Britain, New Zealand officials intend on banning weapons following the horrific terrorist attack in Christchurch. Whether the response will be as rapid as in Australia (12 days after the Port Arthur Massacre) is yet to be seen. The Dunblane massacre prompted weapons control in Great Britain but was instituted nearly a year and a half after the attack.

America will not be following suit.

a reply to: links234

America will not be following suit.

And why would they?

The crime rate in the UK exploded after the handgun ban.

Already posted here boss - ATS Thread

Second line stuff,

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: links234

America will not be following suit.

And why would they?

The crime rate in the UK exploded after the handgun ban.

What? You mean to say disarming law abiding citizens gives criminals free reign to pillage, plunder, murder and rape? Who would have ever guessed! /s

Double

a reply to: Lab4Us

The NZ attacker could have used any number of weapons. He's a mass killer and wouldn't have been deterred except by discovery and capture. He should be dealt with by lawful conviction and execution as he's something humanity can do without. Good riddance to a piece of human garbage. My best,

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
The crime rate in the UK exploded after the handgun ban.

And your evidence for that is where exactly?

There are approaching 2 million legally owned firearms in the UK, just to forestall the inaccurate "disarming the citizen" brigade. Banning a weapon commonly used by criminals and nutters is a good idea.

Semi automatic firearm are the bulk of hunting and sports rifles, guns and small arms. I highly doubt they’ll ban them.

New Zealand has been making noises about a nationwide firearms register for the last few years. Currently they can buy A-category firearms as long as they are licensed and the purchases are never recorded nor is there any kind of database with the serial numbers of who owns what in NZ.

I magine that’s the kind of change that will come of this. Nothing more.
It’ll be easy enough to implement but hard to police for all currently owned unregistered firearms.
They have such databases for pistol and special class firearms already.

Banning all semi auto firearms is not realistic. Very close to ALL firearms licence holders would have at least one semi auto weapon. They’re not anything special.

a reply to: Breakthestreak

They won't ban all firearms so something very similar to the Oz changes is most likely if this goes ahead.

EG very strong restrictions on all handguns (concealable firearms), no auto or semi-auto weapons in public hands. All weapons not affected by the ban like bolt action rifles etc to be registered subject to special storage requirements and only if the owner can demonstrate a need for the weapon like security officer, professional shooter, farmer etc. Home &/or self defence is not a valid reason.

Of course, in the real world, a certain percentage of those weapons deemed illegal probably wouldn't be surrendered immediately (especially if unregistered) so severe penalties would need to be applied to any such weapons found in a person's possession after the amnesty expires which means those (now) illegal weapons end up buried so deep and secretly they're unlikely to ever see the light of day again anyway.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
The crime rate in the UK exploded after the handgun ban.

And your evidence for that is where exactly?

There are approaching 2 million legally owned firearms in the UK, just to forestall the inaccurate "disarming the citizen" brigade. Banning a weapon commonly used by criminals and nutters is a good idea.

And how many of those 2 million legally owned firearms are used in massacres in the UK?

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
The crime rate in the UK exploded after the handgun ban.

And your evidence for that is where exactly?

There are approaching 2 million legally owned firearms in the UK, just to forestall the inaccurate "disarming the citizen" brigade. Banning a weapon commonly used by criminals and nutters is a good idea.

Link

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
The crime rate in the UK exploded after the handgun ban.

And your evidence for that is where exactly?

There are approaching 2 million legally owned firearms in the UK, just to forestall the inaccurate "disarming the citizen" brigade. Banning a weapon commonly used by criminals and nutters is a good idea.

Police struggle to stop flow of ILLEGAL FIREARMS INTO THE UK...

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK

Senior officer warns supply of guns has increased in the past year and will continue to do so in 2019

TextThe Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.



From a Czech warehouse to a street near you: the journey of a gun

 

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Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

THE GUARDIAN!

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns is a result of problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

I rest my case...

a reply to: links234

Guns don't kill people, people do.

That being said crazy people with guns, sure seem to utilize firearms.

And with ever-increasing frequency.

I would ban semi-automatic weapons as there really is no need for them in any supposed first world nations or the urban towns and cities contained within them.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
And how many of those 2 million legally owned firearms are used in massacres in the UK?

Luckily we don't have many massacres in the UK.

a reply to: paraphi

Naw its knives we are afraid of these days and the particular PC bag of spanners we have to contend with.

Seems we are darned if we do and darned if we don't really.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
And how many of those 2 million legally owned firearms are used in massacres in the UK?

Luckily we don't have many massacres in the UK.

We've had a few.

Do the illegal gun imports not bother you at all?

According to that article I linked, there are potentially people stocking up arsenals....

Can't blame them. If they prefer to ban guns rather than face the elephant in the room then every problem will result in a kneejerk response.

Lets see what the impending slavery of speech act looks like.

The news just now is that the proposed bans are being implemented immediately IE all auto and semi-auto weapons with a buy-back scheme. Not clear on the fine details of the changes and what other classes of firearms are affected just yet.

a reply to: links234

well here is an interesting thread for those out of the USA. In NZ most use firearms to hunt game or target shoot. You do not need a semi-auto to hunt a deer or a pig. The only purpose of a semi is multiple hits in a short space of time. Aramoana would have had less deaths if David Grey did not have a semi-automatic. They same goes for Christchurch, the numbers of dead would be no more than 12-15 if the shooter had no access to semi-auto's. .