If America never existed, would the world be a better place?

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NOW, the British won, the revolution failed, USA doesn't exist...... would the world from that point on until today be a better one?

According to so many people over at Quora, YouTube, Reddit, Yahoo it is the cause of so many problems in the world, from famines, to wars, to destabilization of nations. It is the reason why so many countries out there are impoverished, it steals resources from other nations, it is one of the biggest polluters in the world, its cultural influence is corrupting the world, it only makes up a small part of the world but consumes so much leaving so little for the rest. It creates diseases, terrorism, hate, anger, pitting nations and peoples against each other ...... basically, in a nutshell, an evil nation, like Germany or Japan during WW2; It is the Pandora's Box of the world.

Speaking of WW2, I read that its existence indirectly lead to it and WW1, so if it didn't exist, 100,000,000 would have been spared, Vietnam would have been spared, Korea would have been spared, the Philippines would have been spared, Iraq would have been spared, the Native Americans would have been spared and so many peoples would have been spared had it not exist.

And they didn't invent anything except nukes, the world would lose nothing except the capability to destroy one another.

Now of course I know bad things existed way back before USA existed but according to Quora, it wasn't that sever as it is today.

So, would the world truly be a better place without America and if yes, why doesn't the world make it happen?

AND NO, I am not going to accept the: "they are destroying themselves, no need to interfere" because that is not going to happen and that is cheap, I want to see the world do it.

a reply to: pleasedontwastemytoe

By your heart felt scenario you would be speaking German or Russian by now.. Good languages both but .....

Hate, leads to the dark side, my friend.

You hate America...we get it.

We're not going anywhere.
Get over it.

As an American and despite you being "sick of me" I'm gonna chime in and say it certainly wouldn't be better for me for the obvious reason that it's my country. Also judging someone based simply on their location on a globe is quite foolish. America is not some utopia and most Americans don't believe it is but I love it all the same.

If you hate America and Americans then just say it. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Own your beliefs instead of masking them behind asinine questions to justify and spread your misguided hatred.

Lol, pretty sure an assaination had something to do with ww1, treaty of Versailles ww2, Korea was a Un action, phillipines were already a colony, England France and Spain were already doing a bang up job of exterminating the natives.

That's all I have time for.

I was never a big fan of their music and I don't think they were really all that influential, so I doubt it would make much difference whether they existed or not.

a reply to: pleasedontwastemytoe

Opinion: NO


Truth: There is no way to know the answer to this question.

Seriously, no point in what you say, every single country in the world has done as much evil as possible when they could, to whoever they could, people are evil, get on with the program, you complain much about that one single country, why not other countries as well?

There are too terrible things going on in other places too, even more absurd.. Like people eating human fetuses in China and other places, are you not worried about that instead of the past? The people who did the things you said are mostly dead, to be fair then you would have to wait another 60+ years to see how the current people does, and then also blame them for the mistakes of their past

Don't know where you are from but would be nice to know, so we can also see if your country is free of all evils

I like this post. It’s a little out of the box thinking. I would say still with liberal though restraints but it’s at least out of the box

If the colonies lost their coup attempt, then the world would have had a stronger British empire. In this theory, I take it, that none of the commonwealth nations ever got their independence? I would say that when Canada became a member of the commonwealth nation, America would have done the same or there would have been a UKNA (UK North America). England could easily be sovereign of Mexico, after an English and Spanish war.

Germany without the brain drain of operation paperclip and with the possibility of an attack from the superior in numbers UK, would look for a super weapon to defend herself. Would Germany use that suoer weapon to attack a numerically suoerior but technological inferior country?

Speaking of tech, what would be the time line if everything that was invinnted by Americans? I am sure someone else would have cured polio, but thinking it would have been in the same time line is not true. Same with the internet and all the stuff apple and Microsoft did. The American culture brought the right place right time, if it was a UK culture, bill gates might have been on a queen schoolership in another field of study

a reply to: pleasedontwastemytoe

If you are sick of tired on us why are you on an American website, using the internet that was created by Americans, powered by the eletricity that was created by Americans(yada yada Tesla: he lived in America permanently that makes him an American) and enjoying the freedom that comes from having the US protecting your Country?

a reply to: pleasedontwastemytoe

a reply to: pleasedontwastemytoe

There was a time where the US didnt existed, and the world had the exact same problems.
It is human nature, doesn't matter if you call them muslims, Jens, white, black or Americans. It is HUMANS thats causing problems, power corrupts. Give someone else the power the US holds, and watch them create the exact same problems.

It only stops when people realize that we can't just point fingers and blame someone else for human problems, we are all the same, and ALL hold responsibility for the problems in the world.

a reply to: pleasedontwastemytoe

NO AMERICANS PLEASE, I'm sick and tired of you.

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Secondly, your statement is called "goal tending" and is prohibited by the T&C's.

Thirdly, how's your German and Russian language coming along?

Forth, the British DIDN'T win, nor have they EVER won a major conflict on their own. They got their asses handed to them in the Falklands for Christ's sakes!!! A bunch of backward farmers whooped their backsides, with antiquated guns and military hardware.

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a reply to: pleasedontwastemytoe

at the risk - of kicking a hornets nest

i shall bite

yes - the world MIGHT be a better place if the USA had not become an independant soverign nation in 1776

BUT it COULD also have led to a much MUCH worse world

using the OPs own premise :

NOW, the British won, the revolution failed,

then " america " would have simply expanded as a british colony - in a similar vein to the way canada did

this is there the OP breaks down

the Native Americans would have been spared

while canadian indigineous polulations admittedly fared better [ under brittish colonialism ] than american ones [ under the US regieme ] - there is alot more to it than brittish good , americans bad

you might want to look at how the bitish empire treated other indidgenous peoples in colonies

now retained control of whats now america - would have led IMHO to rampant and unstopable " pax britanica "

and thats where it has the potential to go very VERY wrong - so it depends - and as iot never happened - we shall never know - as it requires a cascade of assumptions

as for the rest of the OP - oh FFS threre really is not much point in attempting to discus matters with you

inventing the nuclear bomb - was NOT the work of the USA - they built the first one - but the ground work of nuclear physics was firmly in europe before wwii

google " tube alloys project "

if you are going to speculate about alternate history - it helps if you know what really happened - and why

a reply to: pleasedontwastemytoe


You know as an American born citizen who has also been fortunate enough to travel across much of this planet we live on I can assure you that not everyone hates Americans as much as you've tried to make it seem in the past couple of threads you've made.

What are you doing to contribute to your country and your fellow citizen? Are you actually being a decent, respectful person who enriches the lives of those around you, or are you merely spreading hate? Ask yourself what you can do to make the world a better place.

Your OP is asinine in the fact that the United States of America does indeed exist, and regardless of what roles this nation's government has led it to fulfill talking about hate, and how evil all 325.7 million people who live in the USA are isn't going to do any good.

Are you going to propose any actual thought provoking statements or questions, or are you just going keep producing your delusional drivel on here?

The fact of the matter is that even if the United States didn't exist in it's current form that all of the past atrocities that have happened would have still happened at some point. Some country or another would have taken the place. Hell, there may have been even more wars if the US wasn't as consolidated as it is.

That nuclear bomb would have still been developed by someone somewhere. That's just science man. Pure and simple human nature. All humans have the ability to do great things both beneficial and detrimental.

Why don't you go find something beneficial to do?

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

blinks - the OP was delusional - then you arrived - bravo

PS - lets turn this arround - what conflicts has the US won - solo ????????????

as for the falklands - are you on drugs ???????????????

originally posted by: Mousteria
a reply to: pleasedontwastemytoe

If you are sick of tired on us why are you on an American website, using the internet that was created by Americans, powered by the eletricity that was created by Americans(yada yada Tesla: he lived in America permanently that makes him an American) and enjoying the freedom that comes from having the US protecting your Country?

ATS is an international site, one of the most important founders is from the UK..

The internet is not the web...

The web was invented by Sir Tim Berners-Lee, a citizen from the UK, not American at all..

Maybe this is why you get people that hate the US so much, this bad idea that everything came from the US when it did not, so baad

And Tesla died very poor and was ignored completely when alive, and taken advantage of by Americans, how can you even talk about it without shame? Now you assume some kind of pride and ownership of what he did?

Shame.. Shame.. Shameeeeeee!!!!!

I don agree with the OP, but i can see what he may be all about, by how you act right now

anyways, you were mostly wrong, you dont know your own country's history and it makes you look bad and you superior attitude even when you fail to know real history is a bother, and shameful, maybe that's how we get people that hate the US like that

who knows

a reply to: pleasedontwastemytoe

The question that needs to be asked is...........Would you or I even be born if America didn't exist?