Why GM is an evil company

a reply to: JAGStorm

This is just the beginning. See the results of trickle down and tarrifs?

originally posted by: dug88

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

Yup. And the plant they are closing here in Canada it's going to be flint 2.0.
Luckily it's been investing into tech recently tho, but it's going to be a huge hit 2500+ people will lose their jobs, in a city of a population of 160,000. Imagine how many people and business' this will have a negative effect on.

And yet just a few days ago, one of the owners of gm canada just came and bought a nice new expensive set of granite counters for their home in vancouver. That one was a big job too, 3 pages of paperwork, a few different types of stone. It was at least a $30,000 job.

This is part of the evil i'm talking about. Those at the top will be utterly untouched, if anything they might have a little something extra for Christmas. If the government wants to get involved so much, maybe they should make sure that executives are the first to lose some pay before they are able to layoff. (I really don't want that, but I'd just prefer no bailouts and no eminent domain)

Well, if I was going to be laid off, I would rather know it before I went out and blew many thousands of dollars on Christmas presents including trips and cruises. The workers can have extra time to adjust their budget for the coming year.

Check this out:

The company is once again losing market share, and it seems unable to develop products that are truly competitive in the U.S. market.

FOLKS that was written in 2012!!!!!!! Has anything changed!???!!!

www.forbes.com...

And that is why some companies should just be allowed to fail!!

originally posted by: JAGStorm
Check this out:

The company is once again losing market share, and it seems unable to develop products that are truly competitive in the U.S. market.

FOLKS that was written in 2012!!!!!!! Has anything changed!???!!!

www.forbes.com...

And that is why some companies should just be allowed to fail!!

Serious questions. Do you feel the same way about individuals... that some people should be allowed to fail? For example, if you make bad decisions in your personal life, do you then get to be "bailed out" by government through welfare, healthcare, or other benefits?

a reply to: JAGStorm


**** them. They took the bailout money, the can all suck it.

Stop buying kia's, hyundai's, Lexus, Subaru, etc etc etc

A company has to stay competitive or it's not going to be around long..

a reply to: Nickn3

I truly admire what you just said here. I'm trying hard to get my own business going, everything is always so damn hard nothing is ever easy.

To be honest, I'm not even close right now financially...I have no problem with work ethic, I'm often the best worker in any given place I work. The problem is a lack of money, trying to support my new family and work a job that pays peanuts.

I'm too proud to go and ask people for help, and I never will ask anyone for money. Especially not money I cant pay back. I guess what I'm trying to say is, i hope one day i can have the same success you have. Best of luck to you

a reply to: Edumakated

Serious questions. Do you feel the same way about individuals... that some people should be allowed to fail? For example, if you make bad decisions in your personal life, do you then get to be "bailed out" by government through welfare, healthcare, or other benefits?

Yes absolutely, there was a time when we were allowed to fail. You cannot learn unless you fail.
I have failed many times and those were life's greatest lessons. The hardest thing in my life to this day was to allow one of my children to fail, hard... You know what, they survived and came back stronger and saw the error of their ways.

I also grew up in a time/family that we were not to ever take welfare or public assistance. Ever! It was considered the lowest shame you could put on yourself and family. There were times I worked three jobs. I don't know if that is the right way to think, but it is just how I grew up.

I know times are different now and healthcare is just plain unaffordable. I have private healthcare and my deductibles are crushing. That's a whole different discussion for another day.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: JAGStorm

This is just the beginning. See the results of trickle down and tarrifs?

No, this is the result of people not wanting electric cars and sedans. Their Corvette factory is expanding and pickup factory is booming.

Nothing to do with the economy

a reply to: strongfp

Hopefully people can find a way to get by without resorting to crime.

a reply to: mikell

It's pretty sad when you think about it.
Between Detroit and Flint, two cities who's back America was built upon, to be crippled for decades when big corporations move their factories/shops away. In many cases to a different country.

With all the US auto manufacturers deciding to quit making cars then this song just will not make sense anymore. Congrats, they killed Chuck Berry.

This country is full of corporate lackys who believe everyone below them is just a loser and everything is great

I'm moving to France. They have a boatload of problems but the French have the balls to protest. Americans are to brain dead.

originally posted by: toysforadults
This country is full of corporate lackys who believe everyone below them is just a loser and everything is great

I'm moving to France. They have a boatload of problems but the French have the balls to protest. Americans are to brain dead.

You said it!
Americans have no clue how to protest! No freaking clue!
I lived in Europe and witnessed French & Belgian protests. Those are no joke! The government fear the people there.
They bring their trucks/tractors/cars and basically block all the highways for days on end. It is hilarious and powerful!

a reply to: JAGStorm

www.cnn.com...

Trump threatens to cut all GM subsidies

"Very disappointed with General Motors and their CEO, Mary Barra, for closing plants in Ohio, Michigan and Maryland," Trump tweeted. "We are now looking at cutting all @GM subsidies, including for electric cars."

originally posted by: mikell

originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o
a reply to: JAGStorm

In the case of Flint..
When GM was there, it was a great city.
When they left, it turned (and has stayed) a terrible place.

Is GM evil for leaving? or Honorable for being there in the first place?
Or is it the fault of gov't for making it easier to make money if your plant is outside of the US?

I say a combination of all 3.

I worked most of the Flint plants at one time or another and it was a great time flint was a fun city. Then things went bad and 100,000 jobs left a town of 250,000 people.

Buick City GONE
Chevy GONE
Tank Plant GONE
Fisher Body GONE
Delphi GONE
Delco GONE
AC Gone

I know there has to be others.

You know why many of those brands are gone? From my perspective, having dealt with OEM GM equipment vs aftermarket or non OEM, it was total crap compared to the other stuff. It was ugly, out dated, and worst of all more expensive than most all other options for after market products. I can't remember how many AC/Delco radios I ripped out of the dash of a chevy or GM and the owner didn't care if I just threw it away (largely b/c at least 1/2 the ones I saw died a year or so after leaving the lot )

Buick, kind of the same. I will say that I do like their cars, I never used to be a fan. The cars from the late 80's and 90's though really left a bad taste in younger generations mouths maybe if they offered a car for people under 55, they might have had more success and name recognition.

The problem with what is happening is it looks like GM didn't "innovate" but there seems to be a fine line between adopting too much technology too soon (makes it more expensive) and staying stuck in the past. I know I see some new cars that I would NEVER buy unless I was rich and didn't care if the car was in the shop 1/2 the time or had a $1,000/month repair bill.

originally posted by: toysforadults
I'm moving to France. They have a boatload of problems but the French have the balls to protest. Americans are to brain dead.

France has issues...their socialized Government can not afford itself so they need to get more money from the people. Lately they are pushing a rather large gas price increase for climate change. It would force people to use other means of transportation since they will not be able to afford the gas, AND it gets them more tax WIN WIN!!

Have fun there.... hehe

I'm confused.

Should GM pay these 14,000 for being idle?

Looks like GM is trying to follow Ford's lead,by stopping production and likely retooling those factories, which I'm a little uncertain of for both.

GM itself is not evil but the banks which currently own it are & so is the government which bailed it out when it went bankrupt, along with the banks/financial institutions which also went bankrupt. At least Chrysler is currently owned by an automobile manufacturer (Fiat). The sad part is I used to be a Chevy person & I will never buy a new GM vehicle again. Now GM is on the verge of going bankrupt again. Will tax payers foot that bill too, the next time they go bankrupt? How many trillions will that add to the deficit? Think about how many Fords would have sold if we would have let GM go bankrupt. We need to stop rewarding corporations for bad behaviour and let them go bankrupt when they fail, so corporations which act responsibly can take their place. Government bailouts are a prime example of why socialism is bad/evil.