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originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ALSTA
Part of the problem is that when women make false accusations and then demand that all other women believe them like we've seen, they forget that those men they accuse, especially if innocent, will have women who love them in various capacities - mothers, wives, sisters, daughters, etc.
Those women aren't just making an innocent victim out of a man, but they're indirectly hurting their own in those other women who love that man because if the man in question is not a predator, he's often a loved man, loved by other women who also get caught up in the crossfire.
Look at all the women who sat behind Kavanaugh in tears, including his wife. They ended up hurt, too.
If it is a he said, she said situation then the accusations would be unproven, not necessarily false.
Then if you have no evidence, perhaps you shouldn't bring your claims.
There is a reason why you document everything in corporate America, even the most innocuous seeming things. My own husband learned it the hard way after dealing with an office full of passive aggressive women. After the first HR complaint, he documented everything, and he was never caught out by them again. Nevertheless, his workplace was still a living hell until he was moved out of that office.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: InTheLight
He got smart and made sure there was a paper trail one way or another. A couple times, there were things where he reported himself just to make sure the interactions happened with HR before they could get there.
To be plain, none of this was sexual in nature. It was all complaints over "hostile work environment" and that sort of thing, but the idea is similar and just as nebulous.
These particular women also had a reputation in the company for this sort of behavior too. They had a clique and were "mean girls" with a history of ganging up on their office mates, especially the male ones.
originally posted by: InTheLight
Just behave the same way you would when in or out of a conversation with a man when in a professional working situation.
The only good part about this is that it is so in your face you have to be in denial or brain dead not to see it.
originally posted by: InTheLight
I am just wondering if that employee had a learning disability which she was too ashamed to admit and that you as a manager could not breach the topic of there being a disability.
originally posted by: Necrobile
originally posted by: InTheLight
I am just wondering if that employee had a learning disability which she was too ashamed to admit and that you as a manager could not breach the topic of there being a disability.
Nope, she's a real estate agent with an ego, the job I was mentioning was a side job for her so I'm pretty certain she didn't care and was too egotistical to admit she was doing it wrong. To give you an idea, when I first met her she introduced herself to me and informed me that she had the "most important job in the store". It was a retail outlet(Hastings, if you know it) and she was the person that gathered the online orders together to ship out.
Was it an important job??
Yes it was.
Was she the best at it??
No she was not.
Did she believe she was??
Oooooooohhhhhh yeah. XD
She and I are friends, I see her at least 2-3 times a week where I work now, I was just using this example to show how easy an accusation can be made even when none of the intent was there.
originally posted by: loam
a reply to: carewemust
No big surprise when you see how the left has exploited it to absurdity.
Survivors need to be heard. No question. But when you suddenly decide there are never bad actor accusers.... Yeah, that goes to far.
Research shows that rates of false reporting are frequently inflated, in part because of inconsistent definitions and protocols, or a weak understanding of sexual assault. Misconceptions about false reporting rates have direct, negative consequences and can contribute to why many victims don’t report sexual assaults (Lisak et al., 2010). To improve the response to victims of sexual violence, law enforcement and service providers need a thorough understanding of sexual violence and consistency in their definitions, policies and procedures.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ALSTA
Part of the problem is that when women make false accusations and then demand that all other women believe them like we've seen, they forget that those men they accuse, especially if innocent, will have women who love them in various capacities - mothers, wives, sisters, daughters, etc.
Those women aren't just making an innocent victim out of a man, but they're indirectly hurting their own in those other women who love that man because if the man in question is not a predator, he's often a loved man, loved by other women who also get caught up in the crossfire.
Look at all the women who sat behind Kavanaugh in tears, including his wife. They ended up hurt, too.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: InTheLight
Then they have to deal with women who make false reports that make people extra suspicious of actual reports.
originally posted by: InTheLight
Why be suspicious when the false report statistics are so low? Why lean that way?
Taking into account the low percentage of false accusations, it would seem rational for us to believe the accusers rather than not - evidence or not.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: InTheLight
Then they have to deal with women who make false reports that make people extra suspicious of actual reports.
Why be suspicious when the false report statistics are so low? Why lean that way?
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: generik
WTF dude
and by the same token i don't think there is a single one among us that does not know someone who has been the victim of wrongful accusations
None of the men I know have ever been accused o f sexual harrassment. What are you saying?