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originally posted by: Whoisjohngalt
a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha
Why not raid businesses and arrest the owners that are hiring illegal labor? Oh, thats right ,$$$$$$$$$$
Nope. Instead we rush towards being a police state.
originally posted by: dragonridr
originally posted by: Whoisjohngalt
a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha
Why not raid businesses and arrest the owners that are hiring illegal labor? Oh, thats right ,$$$$$$$$$$
Nope. Instead we rush towards being a police state.
No its because business's will be only fines until congress increases penalties. Currently First offenders can be fined $250-$2,000 per illegal employee.
For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.
Three or more offenses can cost an employer $3000-$10,000 per illegal employee.
So guess what its cheaper for busineases to pay fines if caught. And with the number of agents used in raids unless they have a large amount of illegals its not worth it.
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha
You have shingles, that sux...
The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights that prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures. It requires "reasonable" governmental searches and seizures to be conducted only upon issuance of a warrant, judicially sanctioned by probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized. Under the Fourth Amendment, search and seizure (including arrest) should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer who has sworn by it. Fourth
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha
If the investigating officers have no probable cause other than the perceived race or ethnicity of the people being investigated, then they have no probable cause. Unless they have specific knowledge that specific individuals in a vehicle are undocumented, or a specific vehicle is carrying people without permission to be in the United States, then there is no probable cause at all. Outside of a constitution free zone, that crap does not fly, regardless of the justification for it.
originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
originally posted by: links234
Source
“This is a violation of your 4th amendment rights. You don’t have to show them *s- -t*!!! This is illegal,” she said, according to her Facebook post.
ICE has been terrorizing Hispanic and Latino communities for years but, to me, it seems they've ramped up their "enforcement". Between detaining legal residents and American citizens until they can determine their status to pulling over buses full of people to do 'random' checks.
Good!
Sorry, but illegal search and seizure doesn't apply to friggin' ILLEGAL NON-CITIZENS!!!!!
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
originally posted by: links234
Source
“This is a violation of your 4th amendment rights. You don’t have to show them *s- -t*!!! This is illegal,” she said, according to her Facebook post.
ICE has been terrorizing Hispanic and Latino communities for years but, to me, it seems they've ramped up their "enforcement". Between detaining legal residents and American citizens until they can determine their status to pulling over buses full of people to do 'random' checks.
Good!
Sorry, but illegal search and seizure doesn't apply to friggin' ILLEGAL NON-CITIZENS!!!!!
Actually. Yes it does.
originally posted by: Plotus
Let's all get checked, a loophole would be closed, after all TSA checks everyone. I wouldn't mind because I'm a Citizen. Making it as difficult as possible to navigate through the US for illegals, would go a long way in reclaiming our Country from freeloader invaders.
originally posted by: dragonridr
Commonly known as “stop-and-identify” statutes, these laws permit police to arrest criminal suspects who refuse to identify themselves.
originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
originally posted by: links234
Source
“This is a violation of your 4th amendment rights. You don’t have to show them *s- -t*!!! This is illegal,” she said, according to her Facebook post.
ICE has been terrorizing Hispanic and Latino communities for years but, to me, it seems they've ramped up their "enforcement". Between detaining legal residents and American citizens until they can determine their status to pulling over buses full of people to do 'random' checks.
Good!
Sorry, but illegal search and seizure doesn't apply to friggin' ILLEGAL NON-CITIZENS!!!!!
Actually it does apply, since the illegal search has no way of discovery of the people's status in the first place without acting outside their legal capacity. Breaking the law to find out if there are illegals on the bus isn't an argument that Border Patrol can justify anything with. This bus incident is like the Gestapo in 1944 Germany,.
Which is why they retreated from the bus and let them continue. But they would have gotten away with that huge abuse of authority if that woman hadn't called them out on it. Imagine all the junk they do that they haven't been caught at..
When there are any authority doing things like this they are enemies of all Americans. You can't be their Pal and defend them because you will be next on their list.
originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
originally posted by: links234
Source
“This is a violation of your 4th amendment rights. You don’t have to show them *s- -t*!!! This is illegal,” she said, according to her Facebook post.
ICE has been terrorizing Hispanic and Latino communities for years but, to me, it seems they've ramped up their "enforcement". Between detaining legal residents and American citizens until they can determine their status to pulling over buses full of people to do 'random' checks.
Good!
Sorry, but illegal search and seizure doesn't apply to friggin' ILLEGAL NON-CITIZENS!!!!!