Kanye in His Own Words...Let's discuss!

I'm so glad that Kanye can and does speak for himself... and I'm very glad that I took the time to watch his interview and read more about Kanye from Kanye. But, as a direct result, I'm pretty darn disgusted at how Kanye and his words have been so grossly misrepresented.

I found out that my chronology was a bit off. I thought Kanye wearing the MAGA hat came after the interview; but since Levin asked Kanye about it, obviously the MAGA hat came before the interview. I was also surprised to see that the interaction between Kanye and Van Lathan came towards the end of the interview, and well after Kanye commented about 400 years of slavery being a choice. Mr. Lathan was a class act -- well spoken and very heartfelt. And Kanye was very gracious and apologized for hurting Mr. Lathan. The whole of the encounter was more than I thought it was, and not as hostile and angry as I had first thought.

Indeed, Kanye spoke a great deal about love for each other, and talking and cooperating and working together. I couldn't help but think of the accusations that Kanye's just "crazy," or that he's on drugs, while watching... but it's not Kanye who's talking crazy talk. And if it's the drugs, then it's just bringing out his highest ideals and aspirations. We could ALL do with more of that! Kanye was clear that he's speaking from the heart and spirit and "emotion," not speaking to specific policies (of Trump or anyone), and referring to Candace Owens as an example of the one with the facts and figures.

But what I most respect is that Kanye is also preparing to walk his talk with "Donda Social" --

Kanye wants to establish a group in her name which will send activists in to troubled parts of the city to offer help and funds.

Kanye's friend and long-time collaborator Malik Yusef tells the gossip website that the star has even roped in several other famous Chicago natives including Common, Chance The Rapper, and Vic Mensa to help him.

Sources tell TMZ that the organisation, dubbed Donda Social, will send team members into neighbourhoods facing severe problems with housing, education, gun violence and drinking water to ask residents about local problems. Kanye and his partners will then fund solutions.

Roseanne Barr recently tweeted her agreement with Kanye that --

@kanyewest is telling the truth about Rahm's Chicago. Ppl do not want to hear the truth-that Chicago could be a better city for its citizens, but the establishment is corrupted.

-- and seemed to offer her support for his project --

"let's do something about #Chicago -all of us...instead of hurling insults and division. Let's try efficient government and unity JUST THIS ONCE!"

-- so it wouldn't surprise me if Roseanne began working with Kanye on his project. Sounds like a match made in Heaven! Which may -- hopefully and prayerfully WILL! -- lead to even more active involvement from others.

I'm posting the video of the interview, but for those who cannot watch the interview, Real Clear Politics has some quotes:

When I said slavery was "a choice," I meant "we can make our own reality"

"We're mentally in prison," Kanye West said. "I like to use the word prison because slavery goes too direct to the idea of blacks... Holocaust/Jews, Slavery/Blacks. So prison is something that unites us as one race, blacks and whites being one race, the human race. We're human beings and stuff."

The media and the liberals and the echo chamber and all that is having the most sore loss of all time. We're just going to keep putting out, it is like torture porn. We're going to keep showing you negative, negative, when these are human beings."

"I think we have to get next to everyone," he said later about President Trump. "If we don't like Trump, we have to talk to them, We have to talk because Trump is a human being also, and he is in a very powerful position, and he is doing a lot of things to actually help business owners get past all these fake laws and rules and things... But we need to speak to people... We keep saying 'I hate you, f*ck you' and getting no result. Why don't we just try love?"

"Black people have a tendency to march when a white person kills a black person or wears a hat but when it is 700 kids being killed in Chicago, it is OK. it is OK for blacks to kill other blacks. But if it's a white thing... 90% of blacks are killed by other blacks," he said.

"We talk about race so much we don't even talk about class," Kanye added. "There's a class war happening right now too. And the class war is one of the reasons why Trump won because Obama was so high class that it stopped speaking to the lower and the middle class. He's so classy"

"To break the classes we have to start loving ourselves," he said. "What you say to somebody is a reflection of how you feel about yourself, what you put into the world."

Kanye definitely commented on some touchy subjects! I understand why some want to shut him up. Kanye actually wants to empower people and help them be independent and self-sufficient... and the PTB just can't have that. More at the link: Kanye West: When I Said Slavery Was "A Choice," I Meant "We Can Make Our Own Reality"

Kanye's Twitter

Kanye interview with TMZ:

Kanye interview with Charlamagne:

a reply to: Boadicea

I just watched this full interview yesterday. I'm surprised so much of the content of his interview/speech was left out of the MSM, but I probably shouldn't be knowing their bias.

I've been critical of Kanye West, but I understand him more now and respect him a lot more now that I've heard this through.

Kanye's comments on mental slavery, and "thinking/acting how we're 'supposed' to act" definitely ring true. However something about Kanye debating with the other guy, and then going up and hugging him seemed staged to me. Perhaps Kanye wasn't in on it, but that other individual did seem to have scripted material he was arguing for.

Did you notice that?

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: Boadicea

I just watched this full interview yesterday. I'm surprised so much of the content of his interview/speech was left out of the MSM, but I probably shouldn't be knowing their bias.

I was pretty surprised too -- even knowing their bias. Even the way it played out, with the snippet being released in a way to guarantee outrage. At least among some. I've also seen much support for Kanye. And the polls showing an increase in Black male support aren't definitive, but may be revealing a turning point.

Kanye's comments on mental slavery, and "thinking/acting how we're 'supposed' to act" definitely ring true. However something about Kanye debating with the other guy, and then going up and hugging him seemed staged to me. Perhaps Kanye wasn't in on it, but that other individual did seem to have scripted material he was arguing for.

Did you notice that?

I noticed it, but attributed it differently. Lathan seemed confused to me. Maybe more like lost. As if Lathan just couldn't wrap his mind around what Kanye was saying and had to fall back on the same talking points because that's all he knew. Kanye deviated from the politically correct "script"... but Lathan only had the politically correct "script." But maybe you're right. Maybe it wasn't a figurative "politcally correct script," but an actual script. Or maybe something similar/in between. It's something to think about now that you mentioned it.

I love that Kanye has been a joke for years, but now that he likes Trump, he's some kind of hero.

The world is funny.

Also, one thing I am absolutely sick of is many liberals viscously attacking any of us that disagree with the DNC, Clinton, or social justice ideologies. I've experienced this as a liberal, where even as an activist on the left a few times when I've disagreed with some detail in social justice, I've been attacked. In my circles it would be social and professional suicide to openly support Trump. So, Kanye is right that people of color do not have one monolithic identity nor thought that must be aligned with the DNC and identity politics. It bothers me that people are calling him now a "coon" or Uncle Tom.
a reply to: Boadicea

originally posted by: Jefferton
I love that Kanye has been a joke for years, but now that he likes Trump, he's some kind of hero.

The world is funny.

Well... okay... I think it's pretty darn sad that so many people can't get past the "Trump" part and their own egos and echo chambers to see the bigger picture, of which Trump plays such a small part -- almost incidental.

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: Jefferton
I love that Kanye has been a joke for years, but now that he likes Trump, he's some kind of hero.

The world is funny.

Well... okay... I think it's pretty darn sad that so many people can't get past the "Trump" part and their own egos and echo chambers to see the bigger picture, of which Trump plays such a small part -- almost incidental.

Ok I will flip that back at you. Kanye hasn't been relevant for years, now he is. Why? Because he likes Trump.


Retort?

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Also, one thing I am absolutely sick of is many liberals viscously attacking any of us that disagree with the DNC, Clinton, or social justice ideologies. I've experienced this as a liberal, where even as an activist on the left a few times when I've disagreed with some detail in social justice, I've been attacked.

I don't think you're alone. I've been hearing and reading the same from others. Maybe this is exactly what set Kanye on his current path. I wonder, for example, what kind of reaction Kanye might have received from some he approached about starting an organization to actually put boots on the ground in Chicago, talk to people, find out their problems firsthand, help them help themselves... Kanye may have hit some brick walls himself in trying to help.

In my circles it would be social and professional suicide to openly support Trump. So, Kanye is right that people of color do not have one monolithic identity nor thought that must be aligned with the DNC and identity politics. It bothers me that people are calling him now a "coon" or Uncle Tom.
a reply to: Boadicea

That bothers me very much as well. I've wondered why Kanye would use the slavery analogy even though he also says it isn't really what he means or wants to say, that he prefers "prison" to "slavery," but at the same time it's also very apparent that "slavery" is exactly the mentality and terms with which so many Black people are expected to still be beholden. Kanye must be the "Uncle Tom" slave... not the "Harriet Tubman" freewoman liberating others. Funny that no one got angry at Harriet when she suggested that she could have freed even more slaves if only they had known they were slaves. Isn't Kanye saying pretty much the same thing?

a reply to: Jefferton

Ok I will flip that back at you. Kanye hasn't been relevant for years, now he is. Why? Because he likes Trump.

Which has been used as a bludgeon against him by those who hate Trump!!! It wasn't some conservative website or political critter who first splashed Kanye's face all over the place singing his praises and starting this whole brouhaha. It's exactly the opposite. Kanye became "relevant" again by those who hate Trump and wanted to slam Kanye. Not by those who support Trump.

So flip that right back on the Dems and libs.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Jefferton

Ok I will flip that back at you. Kanye hasn't been relevant for years, now he is. Why? Because he likes Trump.

Which has been used as a bludgeon against him by those who hate Trump!!! It wasn't some conservative website or political critter who first splashed Kanye's face all over the place singing his praises and starting this whole brouhaha. It's exactly the opposite. Kanye became "relevant" again by those who hate Trump and wanted to slam Kanye. Not by those who support Trump.

So flip that right back on the Dems and libs.

Ok, if you can't admit you wouldn't be talking about him now, unless it was for the fact that he 'came out' as pro-Trump, that's your deal.

a reply to: Jefferton

Ok, if you can't admit you wouldn't be talking about him now, unless it was for the fact that he 'came out' as pro-Trump, that's your deal.

Awwwww..... changing the goalposts, eh?

Of course we're talking about Kanye because of his support for Trump... and the pathetic temper tantrum folks are having about it.

But we're talking about Kanye because of the hate some have for Trump; not because of the love others have for Trump.

Trump isn't the big deal for me.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Jefferton

Ok, if you can't admit you wouldn't be talking about him now, unless it was for the fact that he 'came out' as pro-Trump, that's your deal.

Awwwww..... changing the goalposts, eh?

Of course we're talking about Kanye because of his support for Trump... and the pathetic temper tantrum folks are having about it.

But we're talking about Kanye because of the hate some have for Trump; not because of the love others have for Trump.

Trump isn't the big deal for me.

Changing the goalposts?

What are you even talking about? My first post in this thread to my last(this one), has been the same theme.

The real sad thing, is the fact that the collective *you*, believe your own nonsense.

a reply to: Boadicea

"We're mentally in prison," Kanye West said. "I like to use the word prison because slavery goes too direct to the idea of blacks... Holocaust/Jews, Slavery/Blacks. So prison is something that unites us as one race, blacks and whites being one race, the human race.

That right there is truth.

We do indeed live in a mental prison.

Watch this:

a reply to: Jefferton

The real sad thing, is the fact that the collective *you*, believe your own nonsense.

Not me. But you might benefit from examining your own position.

I am not a Trump supporter. But you have assumed that I am and that I am entirely motivated by Kanye's "support" for Trump... and you have addressed me as such again and again, and judged me as such. You are the one who cannot get past your feelings for Trump. Not me. Not Kanye.

Who's believing their own nonsense???

I don't give a rat's patootie if Kanye supports Trump beyond the fact that Kanye is thinking for himself and he's not stuck in the left/right paradigm. If he were saying the exact same things except supporting Jill Stein or Gary Johnson or Ron Paul, I would have exactly the same perspective. Rather, I expect that Kanye would say the same about Stein or Johnson or Paul. Maybe he has. We don't know.

Because all we've heard from are those who hate Trump and want to demonize and vilify Kanye for it.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Thank you for the link! I'll watch it when I don't have so many distractions...

originally posted by: Boadicea
I couldn't help but think of the accusations that Kanye's just "crazy," or that he's on drugs, while watching... but it's not Kanye who's talking crazy talk.

The 'mentally ill' card is being used as a weapon against people like Trump and Kanye for the same reasons.

Both of them are exposing those behind the curtain and they are desperately trying to stay hidden.

The diagnosis of mental illness is always a weapon. ~ Dr. Jeffrey Schaler

What did Kanye REALLY discuss with President Elect Trump? Kanye discussed his WIFE getting threatened by #DeepState and getting MKUltra'd with powerful drugs, causing him to collapse. I believe it was at that time President Elect Trump and Kanye West started a discussion about ending the reign of the Democrat Party over the Black Community with Trump promising to get protection of Kanye & his family.

John Salisbury on Twitter

Kanye Kidnapped, Thrown In Mental Institution For Promoting Trump

Alex Jones discusses how Kanye West was forcibly placed in a mental hospital after he went on a pro-Trump rant at a recent concert. He explains how this is Nazi style where people in the resistance are kidnapped and drugged in psychiatric institutions to control them.

#Illuminati Locks Up Kanye West In Psych Institute After He Exposes #FakeNewsMSM, Hillary Establishment

Kanye Tweeted out the one thing Obama doesn’t want to hear… That his home city of Chicago isn’t falling for Obama’s empty words anymore. That Obama was in charge for 8 years and NOTHING changed on the violent streets of Chicago.

“ reached out to Obama for years and couldn’t get anything done, but Trump gave me a meeting,” Kanye said.

Liberals became more furious when Kanye proudly Tweeted out a picture of his autographed “Make America Great Again” hat, which President Trump retweeted!

After Kanye Announced Support For Trump, He Leaked Obama’s Worst Nightmare

originally posted by: Jefferton
I love that Kanye has been a joke for years, but now that he likes Trump, he's some kind of hero.

The world is funny.

As opposed to your hero, the rapist Bill Cosby?

a reply to: Murgatroid

The 'mentally ill' card is being used as a weapon against people like Trump and Kanye for the same reasons.

Yes, I think you hit that nail square on the head. And it's reprehensible. Kanye has something else in common with Trump: He has too much money to be bought... and he can use that money as a power for good. Combined with his wife's fortune, he's double trouble.

Thank you for the links. I'm looking forward to reading the Salisbury link especially

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Thank you for the link! I'll watch it when I don't have so many distractions...

Make sure you do. It may sound partisan by the title but it's not.

It gets into the meat around the 05:30 mark if you're short on time or patience.

ETA: I URGE EVERY MEMBER OR LURKER TO WATCH THE VIDEO IN MY EARLIER POST. IT'S AN EYE OPENER.

A sure telltale sign that somebody is speaking the truth or going against the "status quo", is how quickly the establishment turns on them and how badly they become ridiculed for simply having an opinion outside of the narrative. (Hello Mr.President?)

And the fact that he was so obviously and deliberately taken out of context just so they could throw labels on him, should tell you all you need to know. (Ha, hello again Mr.President?)

And for anyone saying that Kanye hasn't been relevant, you obviously don't know anything. He's been the most relevant (and arguably the most influential) artist of this generation.