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originally posted by: paraphi
Sadly, Germany has demonstrated that they are a poor partner in NATO. They significantly underspend on their 2% of GDP NATO commitment and allow their military to fall into disrepair. ...
Taking current commitments into account, we are guided by the following considerations:
Allies currently meeting the NATO guideline to spend a minimum of 2% of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) on defence will aim to continue to do so. Likewise, Allies spending more than 20% of their defence budgets on major equipment, including related Research & Development, will continue to do so.
Allies whose current proportion of GDP spent on defence is below this level will:
halt any decline in defence expenditure;
aim to increase defence expenditure in real terms as GDP grows;
aim to move towards the 2% guideline within a decade with a view to meeting their NATO Capability Targets and filling NATO's capability shortfalls.
Allies who currently spend less than 20% of their annual defence spending on major new equipment, including related Research & Development, will aim, within a decade, to increase their annual investments to 20% or more of total defence expenditures.
All Allies will:
ensure that their land, air and maritime forces meet NATO agreed guidelines for deployability and sustainability and other agreed output metrics;
ensure that their armed forces can operate together effectively, including through the implementation of agreed NATO standards and doctrines.
originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Those 2% are necessary and based on .. what? A number some orange bully pulled out of one of his orifices?
originally posted by: ManFromEurope
originally posted by: paraphi
Sadly, Germany has demonstrated that they are a poor partner in NATO. They significantly underspend on their 2% of GDP NATO commitment and allow their military to fall into disrepair. ...
Those 2% are necessary and based on .. what? A number some orange bully pulled out of one of his orifices?
Example, please, why 2% are the magic game-changing point. And why it is that not-having a huuuge military is a sad thing.
Political and legal scholars agree that NATO's two-percent target has no legal binding effect.
„informal benchmark of two percent defence spending.“
originally posted by: paraphi
Sadly, Germany has demonstrated that they are a poor partner in NATO. They significantly underspend on their 2% of GDP NATO commitment and allow their military to fall into disrepair. This does not bode well for the future, and of the EU's aspiration to create an EU military, because that military will be run by France at this rate.
originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
originally posted by: paraphi
Sadly, Germany has demonstrated that they are a poor partner in NATO. They significantly underspend on their 2% of GDP NATO commitment and allow their military to fall into disrepair. This does not bode well for the future, and of the EU's aspiration to create an EU military, because that military will be run by France at this rate.
France is fine militarily, their white flag factories are running at full capacity
The poinit is, those countries get vastly more capable armed forces for less money invested. If Germany would spend as efficiently as those countries, we wouldnt have the 2% discussion.
originally posted by: ManFromEurope
a reply to: mightmight
Good, bc we already spend 1.23% of our GDP.
Japan is just a little bit too paranoid in my opinion.
Israel, South Korea? Well, those two countries have one or more enemy-states on their doorstep - which is a difference to Germany, I think.
And finally: Do you really want a military-strong Germany? Do you?... Bc that is just something about every generation of Germans after WWII has decided to not be. Yes, we would not attack Europe with our armies again, but we feel very very uncomfortable with the point of the Bundeswehr no more being for defensive actions only, but for active actions elsewhere in the world. Neither do most of the soldiers.
originally posted by: Lagomorphe
originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
originally posted by: paraphi
Sadly, Germany has demonstrated that they are a poor partner in NATO. They significantly underspend on their 2% of GDP NATO commitment and allow their military to fall into disrepair. This does not bode well for the future, and of the EU's aspiration to create an EU military, because that military will be run by France at this rate.
France is fine militarily, their white flag factories are running at full capacity
Anything more superficial to add now that you got your intellectual erection writing that?
I live in France and have family members as active service members who are proud to eventually sacrifice their lives in order to help maintain peace no matter where in the world.
Let go with your stupid and childish stereotypical comments Mr armchair warrior...
Muppet...
“The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent terrorist threats and have therefore raised their security level from “Miffed” to “Peeved.” Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to “Irritated” or even “A Bit Cross.”
The English have not been “A Bit Cross” since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out.
Terrorists have been re-categorized from “Tiresome” to “A Bloody Nuisance.” The last time the British issued a “Bloody Nuisance” warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.
The Scots have raised their threat level from “Pissed Off” to “Let’s Get the Bastards.” They don’t have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.
The French Government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from “Run” to “Hide.” The only two higher levels in France are “Collaborate” and “Surrender.” The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France’s white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country’s military capability.
The Italians have increased the alert level from “Shout Loudly and Excitedly” to “Elaborate Military Posturing.” Two more levels remain: “Ineffective Combat Operations” and “Change Sides.”
The Germans have increased their alert state from “Disdainful Arrogance” to “Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs.” They also have two higher levels: “Invade a Neighbour” and “Lose.”
Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels. The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.
The Australians, meanwhile, have raised their security level from “No worries” to “She’ll be right, Mate.” Two more escalation levels remain: “Crikey! I think we’ll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!” and “The barbie is canceled.” So far no situation has ever warranted use of the final escalation level.” —
John Cleese – British writer, actor and tall person.
originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
originally posted by: paraphi
Sadly, Germany has demonstrated that they are a poor partner in NATO. They significantly underspend on their 2% of GDP NATO commitment and allow their military to fall into disrepair. This does not bode well for the future, and of the EU's aspiration to create an EU military, because that military will be run by France at this rate.
France is fine militarily, their white flag factories are running at full capacity
originally posted by: biggilo
originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
originally posted by: paraphi
Sadly, Germany has demonstrated that they are a poor partner in NATO. They significantly underspend on their 2% of GDP NATO commitment and allow their military to fall into disrepair. This does not bode well for the future, and of the EU's aspiration to create an EU military, because that military will be run by France at this rate.
France is fine militarily, their white flag factories are running at full capacity
I'm always up for a but a French bashing but we should remember it was France who bailed us (the British) out during the Crimean war.