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originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Fermy
Which means their will be no US attack until they return. Mabey. Or they will attack before they find out that their was no chemical attack.
originally posted by: tommyjo
a reply to: Fermy
Even if it was a rogue Syrian commander or unit that launched the attack neither the Syrians or Russians are going to admit to it. Think of the timeline since the alleged incident? The Russians and Syrians were in control of that area shortly after the alleged incident. Do you really expect the OPCW to find any evidence? If it was Syrian helicopters that dropped the ordnance then every single piece of those canisters are going to have been removed. The agent used would likely have been non-persistent and the area where the canisters impacted would have been cleaned up and flushed with large amounts of water. I would guess that it was Chlorine that was used and to cover the tracks for any chlorine traces left then the OPCW inspectors will be directed to a rebel chlorine stash that was just conveniently found in the area. There isn't a hope in hell of the OPCW inspectors finding anything left if it was a Syrian chemical attack. The Russian decontamination teams will have been busy eliminating all traces.
The big question is what happened to the people that were seen in the videos of the alleged chemical attacks or the people giving them medical assistance? What happened to them after the Syrians took the area? The Syrians say that nobody was taken to hospitals suffering from the effects of a chemical attack. Surely the vast majority of those people in the videos can be identified so why haven't they been heard from again? Surely the Syrians themselves would have been able to identify those people in the videos and presented and identified them as not actually suffering from chemical contamination as they fell into government hands? The horrific thing that crosses my mind is that those people that survived have been part of the "clean up" Horrific to think about but surely some human rights group or UN teams are attempting to track down and identify the people in those videos?
originally posted by: tommyjo
a reply to: Fermy
Even if it was a rogue Syrian commander or unit that launched the attack neither the Syrians or Russians are going to admit to it. Think of the timeline since the alleged incident? The Russians and Syrians were in control of that area shortly after the alleged incident. Do you really expect the OPCW to find any evidence? If it was Syrian helicopters that dropped the ordnance then every single piece of those canisters are going to have been removed. The agent used would likely have been non-persistent and the area where the canisters impacted would have been cleaned up and flushed with large amounts of water. I would guess that it was Chlorine that was used and to cover the tracks for any chlorine traces left then the OPCW inspectors will be directed to a rebel chlorine stash that was just conveniently found in the area. There isn't a hope in hell of the OPCW inspectors finding anything left if it was a Syrian chemical attack. The Russian decontamination teams will have been busy eliminating all traces.
The big question is what happened to the people that were seen in the videos of the alleged chemical attacks or the people giving them medical assistance? What happened to them after the Syrians took the area? The Syrians say that nobody was taken to hospitals suffering from the effects of a chemical attack. Surely the vast majority of those people in the videos can be identified so why haven't they been heard from again? Surely the Syrians themselves would have been able to identify those people in the videos and presented and identified them as not actually suffering from chemical contamination as they fell into government hands? The horrific thing that crosses my mind is that those people that survived have been part of the "clean up" Horrific to think about but surely some human rights group or UN teams are attempting to track down and identify the people in those videos?
originally posted by: JHammon
Why would they even use chlorine? They got far nastier things like thermobarics and clusters. Unless they got bored and decided to drop some chlorine just to stir up an international crisis the likes of which has never been seen since the Cuban missile crisis? Just for fun?
originally posted by: tommyjo
originally posted by: JHammon
Why would they even use chlorine? They got far nastier things like thermobarics and clusters. Unless they got bored and decided to drop some chlorine just to stir up an international crisis the likes of which has never been seen since the Cuban missile crisis? Just for fun?
Because "they" thought they could get away with it. Also consider that it could have been a rogue commander or unit but there is no way that Assad is going to admit to that so they deny and cover up.
I bet not a scrap of chemical ordnance or canister will be found that could link back to Syrian forces? For example if this footage is from Douma then I bet that canister is long gone. It will be interesting if the residence can be identified by the OPCW team, but I bet the canister has long since gone.
There was also a claimed use of Chlorine by Syrian Forces in Douma earlier this year. Iranian 107mm rockets were identified. Chlorine has also been used by rebel forces.
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originally posted by: tommyjo
a reply to: JHammon
You aren't thinking logically. Think of it from the perspective of a local Syrian commanders losing men trying to eliminate a pocket of rebels. He doesn't think of the bigger consequences but sees a chance to finally eliminate the holed up group in the basements of that area. Horrific as it is the likes of Chlorine will do the job. He believes that Chlorine is acceptable in order to break the final pocket of resistance. It might not have been directly ordered by Assad but simply a commander operating on his own without thinking through his actions.
originally posted by: JoeHammon
They have thermobarics and cluster incendiaries which are far more effective than a can of chlorine. Plus, the city was under siege and running out of supplies anyway. The city surrendered on April 8. No need to use a can of chlorine to take the city and risk WW3 when they didn't have to use it.
originally posted by: JoeHammon
Notice the can supposedly broke the cement and wiring in the roof yet the bed is undamaged. Notice the can is not even opened. Seems like fake and not even filmed in Douma.
southfront.org...
originally posted by: JoeHammon
Notice the can supposedly broke the cement and wiring in the roof yet the bed is undamaged. Notice the can is not even opened. Seems like fake and not even filmed in Douma.
southfront.org...
originally posted by: tommyjo
a reply to: Fermy
The big question is what happened to the people that were seen in the videos of the alleged chemical attacks or the people giving them medical assistance? What happened to them after the Syrians took the area? The Syrians say that nobody was taken to hospitals suffering from the effects of a chemical attack. Surely the vast majority of those people in the videos can be identified so why haven't they been heard from again? Surely the Syrians themselves would have been able to identify those people in the videos and presented and identified them as not actually suffering from chemical contamination as they fell into government hands? The horrific thing that crosses my mind is that those people that survived have been part of the "clean up" Horrific to think about but surely some human rights group or UN teams are attempting to track down and identify the people in those videos?