Porton Down experts unable to verify 'precise source of novichok'

British scientists at Porton Down have not been able to establish where the novichok nerve agent used to poison Sergei and Yulia Skripal was made, it has emerged.

Gary Aitkenhead, the chief executive of the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (DSTL) at Porton Down, Wiltshire, said it had not proved it was created in Russia.

Porton Down experts unable to verify 'precise source of novichok'

I am sooooo confused. Surely we (THE WEST) had irrefutable proof that Russia did it. Else we would not have expelled those diplomats, called for sanctions, risked further escalation, etc. That's how democracies work, right? First you find proof and then you act...

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Dont know much about that sort of thing, but it seems lethal so I can't think

there will be that many places will be able to produce it?

a reply to: MindBodySpiritComplex

What do you expect the novichok (new guy) leaves his passport? Ingrained in the poison itself somehow?
They say they have evidence which clearly points towards Russia.

The question I'm asking myself if they'd want to stirr the pot why not go for the big money guys in London?

originally posted by: MindBodySpiritComplex

That's how democracies work, right?

That's how false flags work. They plant it, everyone falls for it, and then (a few of us) find the true.

I read earlier today that Moscow made some interesting comments about this being a distraction for the Brexit...

And people call conspiracy theorists nuts.

So in other words it doesn't match the chemical signature of something produced by Russia and they don't know who made it. Who could have possibly seen this coming...

I said it before: any first-world nation could have made that stuff. Suggestions that it could somehow only have come from Russia are blatant lies.

Also, Skripal was reportedly one of Christopher Steele's contacts. And now, very conveniently, he is no longer able to testify about the veracity (or lack thereof) of Steele's work.

MI6 is a more likely culprit than the Russians. Perhaps even Steele himself.

Obviously the Russians hacked into the brains of the British scientists at Porton Down. And with the help of 13 amazingly powerful Russian trolls on Facebook, Putin managed to convince the helpless, hacked brains of the scientists that they had found no proof.

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I don't know where you're getting that. This isn't like a bomb or a gun where every manufacturer has their own signature. It's a chemical compound. It's going to show the same chemical makeup regardless of who made it.

Of course this scientist is going to say they can't narrow down the country. Because there's no way their analysis could possibly show that. That does not however change the fact that as far as we know, the Soviets are the only country in the world that have put Novichok in to production.

So until further evidence comes forward Russia still remains the prime suspect.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
So in other words it doesn't match the chemical signature of something produced by Russia and they don't know who made it. Who could have possibly seen this coming...

Chemical signatures can be changed ..... especially if someone/country wants

to 'frame' another?

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Yea but that's not the narrative that got pushed early in the story, they knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was Russia..

originally posted by: Peeple
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The question I'm asking myself if they'd want to stirr the pot why not go for the big money guys in London?

shh that would banjo the offshore profit/socialising debt/donation mechanism thus sending shockwaves through 80% of world transactions. got to keep it under wraps lol. sniffs door handle.

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And for all we know they do know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was Russia. This scientist isn't going to be privy to intercepted chatter or any other kind of evidence. All he can report on is what his lab's analysis showed. And that is that the chemical is Novichok.

originally posted by: Irishhafthey knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was Russia..

and i knew they were full of it.

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a reply to: Xcalibur254

I get that, but at this point it is up to the govt to prove it if they want to use this as a catalyst for further sanctions or other actions against Russia.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

No compound is ever 100% pure - there are always traces of the compounds used in the synthesis of compounds. These trace amounts of impurities and side-products can be used to analyze the method of synthesis - whether knowing the method of synthesis would actually find the maker, I'm not sure, but it could lead to evidence of who the maker might have been if the method of synthesis is unique somehow. Further, one can look at isotope percentages in the compound to come up with lists of possible sources for the various chemicals/elements used.

So, there could be analyzable differences in the same compound made by different manufacturers/processes. However, we must be clear here, knowing where it LOOKs like it came from doesn't necessarily mean it came from there...

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I don't know where you're getting that. This isn't like a bomb or a gun where every manufacturer has their own signature. It's a chemical compound. It's going to show the same chemical makeup regardless of who made it.

If that's the case then the witch hunt should end right now as we can never prove anything. However even the same chemical makeup can have distinguishing features due to the specific manufacturing process and exact ratios used, the impurities, etc. I assume the signature of the Russian supply is known or has been provided since it would have been manufactured quite a long time ago.

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Haha, so true! Apparently Putin has ties to Russia, btw. Can you imagine?

a reply to: Irishhaf

Unfortunately for us, it will probably be decades before we know the full story. The UK isn't going to risk their intelligence apparatus just to appease the conspiracy theory crowd.

It´s funny how this is not the biggest headline in all western news, like the accusations against Russia were from the beginning. Watching german news right now and they reported it, but not first and more like:
There is nothing to see, you did hear nothing, go to sleep again, nothing happened, it was just a silly dreaml...

Does the May NATO UK now get some golden raspberry awards? May for the worst acctress, Johnson for the worst supporting actor, the british false flaggers from the MI6 for the worst directoring, the NATO wests MSM for the worst picture etc.

Where is the apology towards Russia, after there is nothing, really nothing left now that could somebody make believe the russians did it? Who is going to jail for that dangerous move? The real perpetrator endagered the lifes of millions of european citizens with that move to deflect from the UK´s domestic problems.

I bet nobody again, not even for the worst, most silly ever written script for a then failed, because poorly performed false flag attack...

Nobody believed that silly story for just one second, except some cold warriors and some NATO arse licking western governments and the governments of some east european wannabe NATO members and the yanks, for sure.
Now less than ever!!!