Baghdad sends military to take control of Kirkuk from Kurds Live updates

Things are certainly accelerating in Iraq between the Iraqi government and the Kurds attempting to claim independence. It is going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out considering that they do not have any allies in the area.

We all know they are getting backing from America and Israel, but in reality they do not stand a chance. They should realize they are simply being used as pawns and will be thrown to the side at the earliest convenience.

Crazy times in the world!

The Kurdish Peshmerga condemned the Iraqi takeover of Kirkuk as a “flagrant declaration of war,” Rudaw news agency reports, citing a statement by the Peshmerga General Command. Kurdish forces warned the Iraqi prime minister he would pay a “heavy price” for initiating the conflict.

It is impossible for the Iraqi government to declare war upon themselves. Kirkuk is a part of Iraq regardless of the attempted usurpation of the land by the Kurds.

The Iraqi military has been deployed to “impose security” in the resource-rich province of Kirkuk. Iraqi troops have seized control over several key Kurdish Peshmerga-held positions near Kirkuk and continue their advance, Reuters reports, citing the Iraqi military.

Again this is their land. Kurdistan is a lie being fed to these people in order for Western interests to have a foot hold in the area. They also have strong support from Israel, I wonder why that would be? Anything to divide their neighbors seems to be in the interest of Israel.

I am not a fan of Turkey nor Erdogan by an stretch of the imagination, but the Turkish armed forces are no joke and this is one issue that Iraq and Turkey would most certainly agree on.

Israeli flags won’t save you': Erdogan threatens Iraqi Kurds with famine over referendum

The Turkish president then warned that Israel’s support would be insufficient to sustain the Iraqi Kurds’ drive for independence and would not save them from international isolation. Erdogan added that Tel Aviv does not exercise sufficient leverage over the world community.

a reply to: elementalgrove

Things are certainly accelerating in Iraq between the Iraqi government and the Kurds attempting to claim independence. It is going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out considering that they do not have any allies in the area.

Time to suppress the Kurds again.

When Saddam did that he used Nerve gas suppled by the uS gubment.

Keep ‘em fighting so that the U.S. can sell weapons to both sides.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: elementalgrove

Things are certainly accelerating in Iraq between the Iraqi government and the Kurds attempting to claim independence. It is going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out considering that they do not have any allies in the area.

Time to suppress the Kurds again.

When Saddam did that he used Nerve gas suppled by the uS gubment.

It really makes me sick to think about how these poor people are being used as pawns in what has been called the grand chessboard.

Hopefully the Kurds in Iraq will come to the table diplomatically and send their US/Israeli cohorts packing.

a reply to: elementalgrove

Tagging your thread . In following this two things come to mind . Trumps declaration of calling the Iranian military a terrorist group which they are not and rumor that some Kurds are joining Iraq while Kurd forces are fleeing . MoA has a good piece up www.moonofalabama.org...

originally posted by: buckwhizzle
Keep ‘em fighting so that the U.S. can sell weapons to both sides.

You pretty much nailed it, I also think it is a step in their plan B, now that ISIS has been pretty much scrubbed from Syria.

They are making dangerous moves with the SDF in Syria, while still attempting to support ISIS and maintain the illusion that they are fighting them.

It makes sense that Iraq is moving as they are, the writing is on the wall, America/Israel are being backed into the corner and in this corner they have the Kurds to serve up.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: elementalgrove

Tagging your thread . In following this two things come to mind . Trumps declaration of calling the Iranian military a terrorist group which they are not and rumor that some Kurds are joining Iraq while Kurd forces are fleeing . MoA has a good piece up www.moonofalabama.org...

Thank you for posting this!

I think that is a very accurate assessment. A big question coming out of Syria is where are the majority of ISIS fighters being escorted to by the Americans, not stretch to see them used to "assist" the Kurds.

a reply to: elementalgrove

There is good reason to believe that a lot of those ISIS fighters are actually Kurds . So a change of clothing is no big deal . ETA "KRG FORCES COLLAPSE IN KIRKUK BECAUSE OF INTRA-PESHMERGA TENSIONS, ABSENCE OF LONG-AWAITED SUPORT FROM U.S. southfront.org...

Iraqi forces had moved into several major oil fields north of Kirkuk, as well as its airport and an important military base, according to Iraqi sources. Kurdish party headquarters inside Kirkuk had been abandoned. Baghdad said the Peshmerga had withdrawn “without fighting”, but clashes were reported south of Kirkuk. While politicians and authorities led by Barzani’s Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) have said they will stand their ground and fight, their rival Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) has been more amenable to an agreement to allow Baghdad to enter. Supporters of KRG President Masoud Barzani blamed the PUK for a lose of Kirkuk and US for an absense of the support.

its really hard to not hate Turkey and Iraqi governments. Iraq would not exist if not for the Kurds to begin with. SO soon do we forget when we achieve great power those who helped us attain it.

The kurds kept out other nations peoples as well. Persia was one(iran)Arabs ,and Ottomans(turks) as well.
The UN precursor Organization Screwwed them out of their own country as well. Maybe its time to go back and correct such a miscarriage of justice hmm?

Time to take SOme of th eland back they gave to turkey. reason why they did that was at th etime turkey was they would agree to house military bases one day most likely.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: elementalgrove

There is good reason to believe that a lot of those ISIS fighters are actually Kurds . So a change of clothing is no big deal .

That really is a bit more accurate. Promise them that ultimately they will have their sought after Kurdistan, finance/arm them and we have the continuation of standard foreign policy of Murica.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: elementalgrove

There is good reason to believe that a lot of those ISIS fighters are actually Kurds . So a change of clothing is no big deal .

OR they could be turks wearing ISIS colors. they dont wear arm patches so we dont know.

a reply to: yuppa

The UN precursor Organization Screwwed them out of their own country as well. Maybe its time to go back and correct such a miscarriage of justice hmm?

Maybe that would be worth looking at right after they deal with Palestine don't ya think .

a reply to: yuppa

OR they could be turks wearing ISIS colors. they dont wear arm patches so we dont know.

Turkey is a very big question mark for me . After giving support to alquada for years they just moved into Idlib with no fighting and took up positions to block the Kurds ...Now although Syria is making noise about it the Russians and Iranians seem to be quiet so something is up with that .

ETA RT clip

a reply to: elementalgrove

Well it's not just the Iraqi government that don't want the Kurds to break away. Iran and Turkey doesn't want it either. Also, the TPTB doesn't want it either because it will lead to a domino affect where other separatists movement around the world want to break away.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: yuppa

The UN precursor Organization Screwwed them out of their own country as well. Maybe its time to go back and correct such a miscarriage of justice hmm?

Maybe that would be worth looking at right after they deal with Palestine don't ya think .

YEah the ROMANS renaming JUDEA into palestine and stealing it from the JEws would be a good place to start. And the truth is "palestinians" according to Yasser arafatt(the greates PAli of all btw) and former PLO leadership they are a made up people thought up by them and th eKGB to try and destabilize a US ally.

a reply to: starwarsisreal

History demonstrates that the Kurds will not only get their land, but they will fight off regional powers, some who happen to be mutual acquaintances of ours, with the support and backing of the USA (and Israel now) . Because what we are seeing is exactly the same way we saw Israel be born. Knowing this, it is not far fetched to conclude that Kurdistan is here to stay after a war of attrition is fought for their right to exist. I suspect within the next year there will be moves and calls in Rojava to join their persecuted brethren in neighboring Iraq and a possible merging of the two states into one. If the SDF can keep control of the Eastern bank of the Euphrates in Syria all the way up to the Iraq border, its a done deal.

They already have the manpower and the weapons to keep the borders thanks to generous aid packages approved by Congress over the last year. All they lack is an airforce, will we be that air force? I hope so, because what's good for Israel and Kurdistan is good for America.

a reply to: yuppa

YEah the ROMANS renaming JUDEA into palestine and stealing it from the JEws would be a good place to start. And the truth is "palestinians" according to Yasser arafatt(the greates PAli of all btw) and former PLO leadership they are a made up people thought up by them and th eKGB to try and destabilize a US ally.

The Jewish rebellion is what lead to the war that drove all jews out of not only their home land but other parts of the Empire . The Romans tried to work with them but they would not . eta also the Bible teaches that the Hebrew were a mixed bag of peoples ...how far back do we want to go ?

There are some Kurdish sympathizers in another thread. They think they're going to be like Israel: defeating the entire damn Middle East in a war and defending their little state indefinitely. Sorry, but no chance: the US gave you some Gulf War-vintage vehicles to stomp ISIS with, but from the US's perspective, the Kurds are essentially mercenaries that were hired to defeat ISIS. And with Raqqa just about wrapped up, the Kurds' employment contract with Uncle Sam is about to expire. I'm actually sympathetic to the Kurds, but the fact is they're being played for suckers. Again.

originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: elementalgrove

Well it's not just the Iraqi government that don't want the Kurds to break away. Iran and Turkey doesn't want it either. Also, the TPTB doesn't want it either because it will lead to a domino affect where other separatists movement around the world want to break away.

I do not think that TPTB give a crap about that, they are simply using the Kurds as a way to get at the governments of Turkey/Syria/Iraq/Iran.

What is ironic about it is it is actually bringing them together in a strange fashion, especially considering Turkey's role in the Syrian conflict, although Erdogan changed his tune after the TPTB attempted their coup on him.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
There are some Kurdish sympathizers in another thread. They think they're going to be like Israel: defeating the entire damn Middle East in a war and defending their little state indefinitely.

One Kurdish mate explained how bad the Arabs are to them. Turks too. They aren't defending themselves for the US or outside world they are doing it because Arabs have been incredibly cruel to them over the generations. Ironically he said the one people who the Kurds weren't that badly treated by was the Persians. Iran no problem apparently to them.