Minneapolis Officer Mohamed Noor & Partner Are Lying. - Update

a reply to: GusMcDangerthing

I don't know that it's anything more than trying to give Noor something to work with when the investigation is released and he's twisting in the wind.

I had seen somewhere that even the FoP isn't backing Noor in this instance, and it looks to me like they're trying to present a story that gives Noor some wiggle room in a court room, but not much wiggle room.

I can see somebody who thinks a violent crime is occurring running up to a police vehicle and banging on it to get the officers' attention. I can't imagine anybody thinking doing that would earn them a bullet for their trouble.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

OK. Look at the user profile. I don't think anyone is claiming someone is checking every minute though. Using a desktop makes more info available it seems. More screen space.

anyway

Slapped the car and a hell breaks loose. I guess it's all they got.

a reply to: roadgravel

Again, the officers stories are irrelevant, largely speaking, when it comes to figuring out what actually happened in that situation. The forensic evidence will be far more telling.

And yet no one seems to want to answer me, as to why we might be lead to doubt the nature of the event, from a forensic standpoint. The OP needs to explain where his or her belief, that the forensic examination required to establish the facts, has not has not happened, or will not happen for some reason, came from.

While I am no fan of the police cover up culture which exists in some localities without a doubt, I am also determined that we ought to be sure that we make only reasonable protestations. In this case, there appears to be no reason to believe that the normal forensic processes will not be undertaken, unless there is a specific reason to believe that they will not, some sort of precedent in the locality for the forensics teams to fail to act in the normal fashion, or for evidence to be deliberately contaminated, incorrectly processed to invalidate it, or otherwise tampered with to the detriment of justice and the benefit of those accused.

Without such precedent, what is happening here is just a bunch of conclusions being jumped to.

a reply to: GusMcDangerthing

Don't buy your story-she shouldn't have been outside-Minneapolis is not Chicago but still-she should have stayed inside-common sense-that area is not crime free and she knew something wrong was happening.

One look at her family and you know they arn't middle class-Australians are not that trusting-you make them sound dumb-she knew where she lived.

The police know the truth but don't expect Mayor Betsy to cover for them. This is much more complicated than you think you know.

a reply to: TrueBrit

The OP won't be answering that question, here or in the other thread. His "conclusion" is that Damond stumbled on Noor committing some sort of violent crime and Noor killed her and scared "the other victim" into silence, and presents no evidence to support it other than "he's Muslim, it's what they do."

a reply to: TrueBrit

Yeah, that's the way I tend to see. I'm not claiming funny business but we know what sometimes happens.

But that evidence is along way off from our eyes.

I bet officer 2 isn't going to put himself in a very bad spot to cover officer 1 unless someone has his back. The truth will eventually be known.

a reply to: Justso

It's not a 'story' and I really don't give a flying **** what you buy or don't. I'm telling you how it is with us and her cultural norms can't be swtiched off just because she's met an American man and now living in the USA with him.

You say in one post this isn't a good neighborhood and you are also trying to claim they are better off than middle class so why, if they are better off than middle class would they be living in such a neighborhood?

I also don't think I know anything but what I do think is that you have a big stick up your ass for some reason.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: growler

No I think it is obviously that the reaction to the beautiful white woman has been totally the opposite than any of the other shady police shootings...

For some reason all the right wing pundits and politicians were quick to vilify EVERYOBE else but now all the sudden police can be wrong..

Bloody hell, you and growler are obnoxious. On one thread you can find white people [more than black] demonstrating against the police [BLM] but you completely ignore that. In your world whites only get annoyed when white people are killed by the police.
You are just plain and simply wrong. When the poor big black guy got suffocated by a police idiot, everyone was enraged. You don't want to hear that though do you?

However turn it round and I could say that black people only care when black people get killed by police. Which is actually true [bar a few].

If a killing is unjust, people of all colours get angry [mostly white people though]. If a killing is of a thug, drugdealer or other unsavoury and they happen to be black, you are right, a lot of white people don't care. Just because a black person gets killed by the police doesn't immediately mean they are innocent.

People like you don't add anything to a discussion, you just throw in your own perceptions even if you are wrong. Plus this woman wasn't a criminal, she called the police for help FFS.
This is different from anyone else being caught during a crime, runs away, calls the police names and then gets shot.
He didn't do nothing...yeah right.


Of course we are outraged as white people and I hope there are black people too that are outraged about that [but there won't be too many I sadly fear].

I bloody had enough of being the eternal racist because of my colour. Especially if I am not. You are enemies of your own race [if you are white] and s4it stirrers. Which is really an ugly trait.
If you are black, you better grow up and see the big picture. This is an all encompassing problem.

a reply to: TrueBrit

You put a lot of trust in forensics that we know don't always tell the story. This is a very odd story with unusual circumstances. It will take more than forensics-which are easily manipulated-for the truth-if ever-to be honestly explained. Lots of mistrust here-between all parties-political and otherwise.

a reply to: GusMcDangerthing

I lived there 20 years and know the neighborhood and some of the players. Thanks for your sophisticated and sweet comments. They are meaningless, however. Big hug.

a reply to: Justso

It seems as though you think comments on the internet are supposed to be sophisticated. Should I be the one to break it to him, everybody?

So, thanks to you we know that the neighborhood isn't amazing, but you also seem to think that wealthy and powerful people still choose to make it their home. I'm keen to hear your insight as to why that is.

But then apparently my comments are meaningless, which would render yours the electronic equivalent of human waste so I'll understand if you choose not to respond with any substance in your reply, if you bother to at all.

It's not the evidence that fails, it's the persons evaluating it meaning that does. Of course if it is processed incorrectly then it's not evidence.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: WeRpeons


Prove I don't feel threatened now??

We're talking about justifying the use of lethal force.
If you feel threatened enough to use lethal force while sitting behind that screen miles away protected by anonymity I can prove you are crazy enough to just disregard anything your scared little fingers type

a reply to: SR1TX

I don't know how it's done in America, but down under we can approach a cop car without being shot.

Here is a personal experience. I like to wallop cane toads, a introduced pest in Australia that harms the local fauna. One weekend I had a few beers and grabbed a large stick and decided to play whack a toad, then a cop car pulled up and I was asked what I was doing and I approached the passenger side and leaned in to explain, and the cops simply did a background check (it was clear) and told me to behave myself.

In Australia, that's a case of 'boys will be boys' and no harm came to no one, but in America that's interpreted as 'he's clearly a threat so let fill him with lead.' From personal experience there are some crooked cops in Australia but not one has ever pulled a gun on me, even when I tried to diffuse a siege illegally they never shot at me, they talked me out of it and I complied. In America fifteen shots, a battering ram and a UCAV would've been brought in.

Hell I escorted an off duty copper who was being threatened to be shot by some wacko, she allowed me to escort her as we looked for this creep. The problem with the USPD is many officers are not approachable, this poor Aussie woman made the fatal mistake in thinking that the US cops wouldn't use lethal force because using a firearm should be the last act rather then the first.

originally posted by: Hecate666

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: growler

No I think it is obviously that the reaction to the beautiful white woman has been totally the opposite than any of the other shady police shootings...

For some reason all the right wing pundits and politicians were quick to vilify EVERYOBE else but now all the sudden police can be wrong..

Bloody hell, you and growler are obnoxious. On one thread you can find white people [more than black] demonstrating against the police [BLM] but you completely ignore that. In your world whites only get annoyed when white people are killed by the police.
You are just plain and simply wrong. When the poor big black guy got suffocated by a police idiot, everyone was enraged. You don't want to hear that though do you?

However turn it round and I could say that black people only care when black people get killed by police. Which is actually true [bar a few].

If a killing is unjust, people of all colours get angry [mostly white people though]. If a killing is of a thug, drugdealer or other unsavoury and they happen to be black, you are right, a lot of white people don't care. Just because a black person gets killed by the police doesn't immediately mean they are innocent.

People like you don't add anything to a discussion, you just throw in your own perceptions even if you are wrong. Plus this woman wasn't a criminal, she called the police for help FFS.
This is different from anyone else being caught during a crime, runs away, calls the police names and then gets shot.
He didn't do nothing...yeah right.


Of course we are outraged as white people and I hope there are black people too that are outraged about that [but there won't be too many I sadly fear].

I bloody had enough of being the eternal racist because of my colour. Especially if I am not. You are enemies of your own race [if you are white] and s4it stirrers. Which is really an ugly trait.
If you are black, you better grow up and see the big picture. This is an all encompassing problem.

This!!! 1,000 times this!!!!! You are my new best friend.
10 bucks says he's white. He reeks of 20 something liberal white guilt

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: odzeandennz

Yep and it is disgusting..

It takes a beautiful blonde haired white woman before people care...

What, do you think people are not disgusted when anyone, any colour, any nationality, is shot, dead or otherwise

Lives matter, any lives
Why do you people have to turn this into a race war
Plenty of threads here when a coloured person is shot, have a look.

a reply to: Guiltyguitarist

Interesting and most likely true at times. That might just explain some of the crazy stuff posted in social media.

originally posted by: Justso
It is really odd that she was outside-at night-when usually the police would have come to her door. It's not a great neighborhood, she heard screaming-what the he** was she doing outside? This doesn't add up. Was her fiance at her apartment? Wouldn't he be the one to meet the police AT their front door? Too many puzzle pieces missing.

What happened was that she saw that the cop car was in the alley and she went out to talk to the cops. She wasn't afraid to go out because the cops were there. So she went out to talk to the cops. When she went into the alley she observed Noor committing the crime she had called in, and then Noor returning to the car. When she confronted his partner and him about what she just saw, Noor shot her to cover his ass.

a reply to: Justso

Easily manipulated?

I think you have been reading and watching a little too much fiction. No one with the slightest understanding of forensics would say that it is impossible to fake a crime scene, or cover one up, but with the limited resources available at the time, in a confined space full of fabrics, equipment, ventilation systems in the car, the gaps between trims in the car and otherwise, the officers in the car would have been hard pressed to cover up or obfuscate the shooting from a forensic standpoint.

As was correctly pointed out, GSR would have been all over the interior of that car. The particles are very fine indeed, and would have found their way into the pile of the carpets, the headlining, the seats, would have found their way into the texturing of the plastic parts of the dash. I do not care how clued up these cops are on forensics, they would have had the devils own job of hiding the slightest discrepancy between their story, and the picture painted by the evidence, so the only way any potential discrepancy could be over looked, is if the forensic examiners themselves are co-opted and part of a cover up.

And again, there is no precedent being mentioned for this, no suggestion that any of the examiners are dirty, there has been no mention of the forensic examination being delayed or called off, there is no mention of the correct procedures being broken, there is no specific reason to call into question the nature of events as they are reported in the official explanation, AT THE MOMENT.

Until there IS something probative, as there has been in many OTHER cases, why are we coming down on THIS one, as we appear to be? Something does not add up here.

A parrifin test for gun powder is not performed when you know for certain that a weapon was fired so a test would not be done on either the officer or on the vehicle.

I have fired fully automatic weapons, semi automatic weapons, and revolvers without ear protection and while not smart, I was not deaf nor unable to speak to the person next to me nor was I unable to hear him or her.

What happened we don't know and uneducated speculation does not help. Something went wrong and a woman lost her life and an officer has lost his job and may end up on trial. Your rampant speculation is flawed and wrong