Miss USA: Not a feminist, also healthcare is a privilege.

So a interesting pick for the Ms USA
A black woman, a scientist, government worker.
Anyhow, she is catching flak from the left because she said she wasn't a feminist (said she would rather call herself a "Equalist" (seriously, doesn't anyone know the word egalitarian?))

Anyhow, also said healthcare is a privilege, not a right

But the deeper discussion now is Rights v privilege.

For me, this holds true:
Right:I can do what I want without people forcing me to stop (speech)
Privilege:I want you to do what I want. (services)

In terms of healthcare, you are forcing a doctor to work on you. that to me is a privilege.

I am evolving continuously in my views, but this seems about right on principle.

I would add a caveat that as a privileged society, it is our interest to provide healthcare at a reduced / free cost to the poor in order to...you know..be humane, but also to get them in a higher pay bracket with good capable health.

So your thoughts?

a reply to: SaturnFX

Coastguard, Fire and rescue services are not a right either but nobody seems to complain about them being provided collectively by tax dollars.

a reply to: SaturnFX

Who would have thought a Miss America contestant would only answer questions politically correctly!

a reply to: SaturnFX

What do you call it when the CEOs who own the insurance provider also own the hospital, jack prices up at the hospital, and reap HUGE profits by increasing healthcare premiums every year????

a reply to: grainofsand

Or the DOE making sure nuclear materials don't destroy the public.

Wow them goal posts are moving,

I guess a majority white liberal crowd are now attacking a Black women, regressive left rhetoric knows no bounds..



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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: SaturnFX

Coastguard, Fire and rescue services are not a right either but nobody seems to complain about them being provided collectively by tax dollars.

Yes
so you are suggesting hospitals become government entities?

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: SaturnFX

What do you call it when the CEOs who own the insurance provider also own the hospital, jack prices up at the hospital, and reap HUGE profits by increasing healthcare premiums every year????

Capitalism

a reply to: SaturnFX

No, that is for American citizens to decide.
I was just making an observation that other life saving services are not a right either, but I never hear them being called socialist, or calls for people to buy their own insurance for them.

hmmm....so where is this "catching flak from the left".....seems like you left that out....besides, as a liberal, I would say she is entitled to her own opinion. having said that, there probably are a few liberals that would think that, but....water is wet, too, so what's your point.

I would say Healthcare is a right, especially if you pay Taxes, Insurance and work full time. I do all three. I pay taxes every year for decades, I've paid Health Insurance for decades, I've worked full time for decades.

We should be able to afford Healthcare in that case. However, when Cancer hit our family, even with insurance it was a strain to pay and we went without certain things for a while. Without Insurance we would have gone banktrupt. That's the discussion we need to be having.

Second scenario.

You got laid off and your mother's retired in her 70's. She has a heart attack. You call 911 but you don't have any money, bad credit, no job and no collateral. If Healthcare is a privilege, then your mother should be left to die. If it's a right, they come, perform CPR and take her to the Hospital for life saving. Yes, no?

a reply to: SaturnFX
Your wrong on your interpretations of right and privileged.
Firstly your answer to "right" is a definition of freedom. The "right comes into the equation with "you have the right to be free" but there is quite a few people that don't want you to have that "right". BUT, to have a "right" does mean that no-one should or could have the power to take that right "right" off you.
Secondly privileged is not what you want it's what they will allow you to have.

a reply to: SaturnFX

Rights are inherent, they can exist in a vacuum.

Privileges, entitlements are dependent on others.

You are correct (as far as I'm concerned) in your assumptions.

a reply to: SaturnFX

For me, this holds true:
Right:I can do what I want without people forcing me to stop (speech)
Privilege:I want you to do what I want. (services)

In terms of healthcare, you are forcing a doctor to work on you. that to me is a privilege.

No. Just no. No. No. No!!!

No, I do not have the "right" to force anyone to do anything, including providing healthcare... but I sure as hell have the absolute inalienable natural right to provide my own damn healthcare using all the fruits of the earth to do so!!! Nor is there any need to force any doctor or other medical personnel to provide such services, much less without compensation.

But everything government has done to restrict and deny people that right is a crime against humanity.... and downright cruel and sadistic.

And that includes the taxes taken to provide health-related services to some but not all. Those reaping the benefits of government interference at the expense of the less fortunate are the privileged and entitled ones.

originally posted by: jimmyx
hmmm....so where is this "catching flak from the left".....seems like you left that out....besides, as a liberal, I would say she is entitled to her own opinion. having said that, there probably are a few liberals that would think that, but....water is wet, too, so what's your point.

Ahh, sorry, let me open up twitter right now and just copy down the latest stuff for you
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I honestly don't know how many links you want to have. let me know if I need to put more..or you know, check yourself I suppose

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: SaturnFX

For me, this holds true:
Right:I can do what I want without people forcing me to stop (speech)
Privilege:I want you to do what I want. (services)

In terms of healthcare, you are forcing a doctor to work on you. that to me is a privilege.

No. Just no. No. No. No!!!

So you disagree with me...

No, I do not have the "right" to force anyone to do anything, including providing healthcare... but I sure as hell have the absolute inalienable natural right to provide my own damn healthcare using all the fruits of the earth to do so!!! Nor is there any need to force any doctor or other medical personnel to provide such services, much less without compensation.

But everything government has done to restrict and deny people that right is a crime against humanity.... and downright cruel and sadistic.

And that includes the taxes taken to provide health-related services to some but not all. Those reaping the benefits of government interference at the expense of the less fortunate are the privileged and entitled ones.

So...you agree with me?

You're sending me mixed signals.

a reply to: SaturnFX

In terms of healthcare, you are forcing a doctor to work on you. that to me is a privilege.

Under a single payer system are you under the impression that the DR is going to have a gun to his head? The Dr is going to be compensated.

originally posted by: amazing
I would say Healthcare is a right, especially if you pay Taxes, Insurance and work full time. I do all three. I pay taxes every year for decades, I've paid Health Insurance for decades, I've worked full time for decades.

If you pay for insurance, then you are paying for a privilege
Do you pay a speech tax every year? no...because thats your right. you dont need to buy into the ability to speak your mind, you just do it..for free...soapbox not included

You pay for insurance in order to help with the cost of healthcare. healthcare costs because its not a right, its a privilege

We should be able to afford Healthcare in that case.

This is a different discussion.
I think its in the best interest of everyone to get healthcare costs down to a minimum in order to keep people healthy. I think, like charity or other social programs, we have the privilege as a rich society to pool a bit of money together and help out the poor and so we could have the great prideful landmark of providing cheap/free healthcare (vouchers?) to those in need. Helps everyone out if this is a thing

But that isn't a right, thats just "the right thing"

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: SaturnFX

In terms of healthcare, you are forcing a doctor to work on you. that to me is a privilege.

Under a single payer system are you under the impression that the DR is going to have a gun to his head? The Dr is going to be compensated.

And this is where the rabbit hole goes

compensated by whom?

government
which gets paid via taxes
which collects from people
which if not paid will get you sent to prison
which if you refuse, may end up getting you shot

I guess guns do come into play eventually

But I am actually in favor of some sort of single payer system for the middle/lower class and below

a reply to: SaturnFX

So a pretty lady said something, and that reinforces your political views? It's like T_D daily reminder posts about how good looking Fatty Trump's daughter is.

Is a pretty face enough to keep people voting against their own self interest?

RE forcing a doctor to work for you.. do you think that doctors work for free under universal health care? I live in a tiny community in rural Canada and my doctor drives a brand new Mercedes.

Do you think the crews that patch and resurface your highways are forced to work for you too? Would you be OK if you were charged every time you got onto any paved road?