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originally posted by: Christosterone
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Christosterone
I'm neither proud or ashamed of the UK.
It is a political entity of government over the people who live on a collection of islands.
I only feel pride or shame for my individual, personal actions or words.
I've never done blind nationalism.
My "nationalism", to use your term, is never blind.
You would be heartened to study the country under whose flag you live…
Britain has a magnificent history and forged one of the greatest civilizations our species ever mustered...
The entire world, in one way or another, has been mightily affected by British sensibilities…
It pains me to hear someone from Britain so ignorant of its historical importance…
And "importance" is a word that may not be sufficient to describe Britain's impact on this good earth...
-Chris
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Christosterone
I'm not ignorant of what Britain has done, don't be so ridiculous.
I just said I feel neither pride or shame.
I had nothing to do with events in history so I only feel pride or shame for my personal actions or words.
Be proud of other people's actions if you like, but don't mistake my lack of pride for ignorance of history.
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Perfectenemy
And at the other end of the scale you have nothing personally to feel shame for regarding a couple of world wars.
You weren't around at the time, you didn't carry out any war crimes, it had # all to do with you, or the majority of Germans alive today.
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner
Why are you personally proud?
What contribution did you make to Britain's history that you can feel pride for?
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Nyiah
Absolute agreement
I'm wondering if the issue is just a collective misinterpretation of the definition of 'pride'
How can people be proud of something they contributed nothing towards.
Definition of pride in English:
pride
noun
mass noun
1A feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of one's close associates, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.
‘the faces of the children's parents glowed with pride’
‘he takes great pride in his appearance’
1.1 A person or thing which arouses a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction.
‘the pride of the village is the swimming pool’
1.2literary The best state of something; the prime.
‘in the pride of youth’
2Consciousness of one's own dignity.
‘he swallowed his pride and asked for help’
2.1 The quality of having an excessively high opinion of oneself or one's importance.
‘the worst sin in a ruler was pride’
Origin
Late Old English prȳde ‘excessive self-esteem’, variant of prȳtu, prȳte, from prūd (see proud).
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: SprocketUK
I'm not a big fan of monarchy. You guys can keep that one.