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originally posted by: xuenchen
Cool conspiracy but the whole thing is fabricated.
I like the notion that this is ATS and we run with it. We bring out the "woo", and government conspiracy is THE conspiracy that started it all off (RA was probably right to focus on Kennedy, honestly....we are just now seeing the "why").
originally posted by: RazorV66
originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: RazorV66
Manafort has volunteered to testify in front of the Congressional Committee about the "surveillance"
Yeah Comey can't even volunteer....he has to be subpoenaed.
Manafort has volunteered to testify in front of the Congressional Committee about the "surveillance"
All of this is to say that if Manafort’s contract did indeed “greatly benefit the Putin Government,” it was nothing out of the ordinary. The problem isn’t that he might have done the work for Putin. The problem is that the ordinary when it comes to Westerners doing business with the Russians—as well as other non-democratic governments—is a murky universe, where American actors are not always on the right side of the law and Western ideas of morality. The problem is that Manafort was running a campaign that hammered Clinton and her family foundation for doing much of what Manafort himself had done for decades, and that he was arguably as corrupt as his candidate said Clinton was. The problem is that the government in question had, according to 17 U.S. intelligence agencies, been actively hacking the Clinton campaign and aiding the Trump one. The problem is that Manafort and the Trump administration have repeatedly lied about Manafort’s work. There would’ve been a problem had they come clean early on—it’s not a good look for a populist, drain-the-swamp, America First candidate—but the problem is so much bigger now that the lies are now compounded, magnified by the truth. And this is classic Trump: dissemble and deny as long as you can, and even after you can. And it’s classic Manafort: It’s not clear how much he did to “greatly benefit the Putin Government,” but he certainly did no favors for the Trump Government.
originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
Part of me thinks we should just live with Trump, take our lumps and look to 2020. I honestly think the situation is that bad
Because the person installed after his impeachment won't be so good either, I don't think.
Because the person installed after his impeachment won't be so good either, I don't think.
originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: yuppa
Actually they're not "tainted as hearsay," they'd actually be considered fruit of the poisonous tree because they were obtained by hacking.
The result is the same though, they would not be admissable in court. I don't know that anything she said would be enough to sway anyone anyway and I doubt that investigators would have ever been able to get a warrant to search her phone in the first place.
However, it is interesting to know that she believes that her father's money is "blood money" (and I wholly agree) and it's also quite interesting to hear that Manafort is apparently conducting communication via the drafts folder of an email account. That's a method I've imployed myself in the past. It's not exactly damning but it is highly suggestive of the sort of communication that was taking place.