U.S. Holds the World Record of Killings of Innocent Civilians

"Weapons themselves do not act. They have not come out of the blue. Man has made them. But even given those weapons, those terrible weapons, they cannot act by themselves. As long as they are left alone in storage they cannot do any harm. A human being must use them. Someone must push the button. Satan, the evil powers, cannot push that button. Human beings must do it." - Dalai Lama

Three year old Syrian girl (Photography Sebastian Rich)


The loss of innocent lives and the destruction concerning the currency of life and of societies to fulfill ongoing western geopolitical agendas dictated by a plutocracy through the waging of war in this present era is one of the greatest evils the world has ever seen.

Here is a video by Retired Special Forces Master Sergeant Stan Goff explaining what military life is truly about. His words should cause those who are presently in the military to pause for a moment and contemplate the Dalai Lama's insight and to ponder the question: Am I sacrificing my freedom, energy and time away from loved ones while risking my life and limb for a lie? His words also show how heartbreaking and unnecessary the scars that will never heal, both mentally and physically, on that little girl truly are:



For those who cannot watch the video: Retired Special Forces Master Sergeant, Stan Goff, explains what military life really entails. His honest assessment about what being a military officer is truly all about: to be used as a pawn by the plutocracy to successfully accomplish their corrupt geopolitical objectives that satisfy transnational corporations interest through the use of the military industrial complex and manipulation of governments and media.





Many people have long been aware that modern warfare is waged in order to exploit people, resources, and/or to implement regime change by installing puppet governments (dictatorships) that will do the bidding for the Western cabal after the war is over. War is not waged based on the false narrative often sold through corporate news media propaganda, such as: for humanitarian reasons of liberating people and ushering in peaceful democracies, or fighting against terrorism. In fact, war is waged for inhumane reasons - the exact opposite of what many in the armed forces believed they signed up for and those in society who have drank the kool-aid that support western government agendas tend to believe.

"In the US’s so-called War on Terror, by far the greatest and most systematic terrorization of civilians is in fact perpetrated by the US state itself. Unarmed citizens are murdered across the world as ‘collateral damage’, ‘illegal enemy combatants’ or other license of impunity.

One can truly say that “the historical record demonstrates the US is provably guilty of continual lawless mass murder of civilians across the world”, but the truth is unthinkable within the ruling ideological regime.

Consider for example, the US-led deadly civil wars and coup d’etats in Venezuela and Ukraine as well as Libya and Syria. They mass terrorize and destroy societies into defenseless dependency so that their resources, lands and markets are “free” for transnational corporate exploitation. Yet the meaning is un-decoded. Ignorance is built into the syntax of acceptable thought."

U.S. Holds the World Record of Killings of Innocent Civilians; Interview with Prof. John McMurtry: www.globalresearch.ca...

War destroys the currency of life for all. There are those affected by the total decimation of society in many ways beyond the destroying of buildings and infrastructure courtesy of the U.S led NATO bombing and its destabilization campaigns that have caused the large refugee crisis currently being witnessed by us all. For instance, there are children being maimed physically from horrific injuries daily, starving from lack of food and water, and also damaged psychologically by witnessing the death of siblings and loved ones, or being sold into sex trafficking and child labour markets across the globe by rebel forces for personal funding. Then there is the long forgotten children of Odessa, Ukraine who are living alone in squalor. And let's not forget the child soldiers being forced into the killing fields on the continent of Africa. The affects are too painfully long to list them all.

"Certainly the US has long supported dictatorial and tyrannical regimes... US government has covertly directed funding and arming of the most destructive armed forces including jihadists, not only in the nations you mention, but in Syria and before that Libya, Iraq, Somalia, and Afghanistan and many much less known places like Mali. Ukraine has been similarly launched into civil war and escalated oppression by US-led destabilization, covert Special Forces, and local fascists."

"Advice For Those Considering Joining The Military [And For Those Already Enlisted]"

The above words was my intended thread title, but I went with the article title instead of the video title, which I was going to make into a separate thread. However, Prof. John McMurtry who is Canadian, and Master Sergeant Stan Goff, who is American, both possess the same understanding concerning the American military industrial complex and the U.S lead NATO Armed Forces. Therefore, since their worldviews complimented each other, I decided to combine the two threads into one.

Prof. John McMurtry was named a Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada which "is the highest honour a scholar can achieve in the Arts, Humanities and Sciences".

Master Sergeant Stan Goff is a Retired Special Forces Member which requires "advanced military skills and whose members train and lead unconventional warfare" - he was one of the military's elite. These two are well versed on the topic despite their different life paths.

"There has been almost no coup or government overthrow since 1945 not led by the US... In the US itself, the three powers of supreme legislature, executive and court are now all controlled by the same money party selecting for the same full-spectrum predation of life and life support systems everywhere to multiply themselves. Yet still the long record of the US state and its oligarch allies destroying societies across the world is unspeakable in the mass media because they themselves are financed and advertised in by the same transnational corporations that demand the resources and territories of societies everywhere.

The carcinogenic global causal mechanism is ever more evident and catastrophic, but not recognized."

Thank you for taking time and energy to read,

Involutionist


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a reply to: Involutionist

Unfortunately that poor girl is not the worst thing I have seen today.

War is a terrible thing, but we are like children who need to touch the heated stove top before we know it hurts.

In the westernized countries, most people have no idea what true suffering is, but one day we will all suffer equally and what comes out of that will hopefully be a better collective ideology.

a reply to: threeeyesopen

There is Westernized then there is USA, its a primitive civilization compared to most modernized cultures..
I just wish they kept their s# within their borders..

a reply to: tikbalang

All great civilizations eventually succumb to their own faults.

When they fall, it will affect the entire world and that is when we will suffer equally, all of us poor destitute people with nowhere to go because there's nothing left.

originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: threeeyesopen

There is Westernized then there is USA, its a primitive civilization compared to most modernized cultures..
I just wish they kept their s# within their borders..

What the hell country do you deem more civilized ? Modernized cultures ? Take a look at the history of any other country...I dare ya .

a reply to: Involutionist

Think we have to give the germans a little credit for this record. or napoleon.

a reply to: Involutionist

Thank you very much for posting this. These kinds of statistics and facts have been suppressed for far too long. Your a brave poster.

If the American People do not step up and stop their rouge govt from provoking Russia and China, nuclear war is inevitable.

a reply to: Gothmog

Gothmog,

During the period that your nation has existed, it has sent its troops to many places, and its armed services have killed many people. That is not unusual.

What is unusual, is that since the end of World War Two, the US armed forces have been responsible for the deaths of some 20 million people, and not a single one of the nations whose populations suffered this trauma, were in any way militarily or technologically on a par with the US, nor did any one of them pose a threat to the US or its constitution.

That is not something you can debate. It's just a fact.

While I applaud your article and agree with many points made, there is much good that we do as well, and we must not forget this either.

Back during the Kosovo war, I worked for Northrop Grumman, and was deployed to Kosovo for three years with our Army Special Forces, acting as a political liaison and linguist. During that time, we worked with the engineers to build many elementary schools, many bridges and roads, mediated many meetings to bring two sides closer and we've even taken snowmobiles to a village on top of a mountain to help deliver a baby during a power outage at night.

Yes, many soldiers will be put in situations they may regret for the rest of their lives, but many will also have memories of helping people out and saving lives.

a reply to: Involutionist

Excellent thread Involutionist!

There is no justification for the merciless war machine that this country has become.

We truly are the military arm of the global elite psychopaths, of this there is no question. The only question would be how brainwashed are you and how willing are you to ignore the facts.

I have never understood how people have acquiesced to the high crimes of this nation. It is upon us to stand up to the machine as we know it.

S&F for you!

a reply to: Gothmog

Nordic, Germanic.. Its not that hard to see the parables told in stories.. You know the Pointy ears culture?

a reply to: TrueBrit

Keep on drinking to your own health happy!!! As long as it takes!!!

Maybe take a breath and get some stats on how many millions the good ol USA has saved. Or, or, perhaps the stats of your nation. Come to think of it what about all the other nations.

Maybe there's one nation with the numbers 19.999,999 who fall behind your stats on the United States.

What a load of tripe mate! Why bother replying to this thread unless you have some proof. Again, remember, think of lives saved as much as you broadcast deaths.

My kind regards,

bally

Out of interest! I would like to know how many deaths the AK47 is responsible for

originally posted by: TrueBrit
What is unusual, is that since the end of World War Two, the US armed forces have been responsible for the deaths of some 20 million people, and not a single one of the nations whose populations suffered this trauma, were in any way militarily or technologically on a par with the US, nor did any one of them pose a threat to the US or its constitution.

That is not something you can debate. It's just a fact.

Your assertions are, in fact, highly debatable.

"Been responsible for the deaths of some..." is a slippery term.

Is the insurgent who fires a rocket from a civilian neighbourhood responsible for the destruction of the entire neighbourhood afterwards? Why or why not?

Secondly, contrary to modern popular opinion, being the weaker, less technologically advanced nation does not automatically make you morally superior to your more powerful enemy. The weaker one is not always right.

Finally, while I certainly do not condone the many civilian deaths the US has had its hand in, I do acknowledge and realise that it is far from the only nation with plenty of blood on its hands.

a reply to: Involutionist

Link

I believe communism is a bit more lethal than the USA.
War sucks and is dangerous, but I wonder how many innocent people died when the USA was either targeting people to HELP another nation.

There are instances where it doesn't make sense to some as to why US troops are in other nations, but let's face it, America has helped keep the world at bay for many years now.

@@@@@ Back to back world war champions baby! @@@@@
(Lol, I saw that on a t-shirt last night and have been trying to find a time to say it)

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a reply to: Dark Ghost

Your example regarding the insurgent is ironic, since the US intelligence agencies have supplied and funded most of the serious terror groups, including Bin Ladens mob, since their origination, often as proxies against Russian interests, or to destabilise regions, to make it appear sensible to place boots on the ground to maintain peace (read:install western companies and infrastructure, create dependencies so that those companies can continue to profit from the anguish of others).

Nice try, but you are hanging on your own rope here.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Russian/Soviet advisors were killed by American forces in both Korea and Vietnam so...no. It's not a fact. Unless you're contending that the soviets weren't a force to be reckoned with in the 50s and 60s, anyway.

Do you happen to have a stat handy for how many millions have been helped by American forces? Or is this another one of those ats threads that only discusses one side of things?

originally posted by: Involutionist

"Weapons themselves do not act. They have not come out of the blue. Man has made them. But even given those weapons, those terrible weapons, they cannot act by themselves. As long as they are left alone in storage they cannot do any harm. A human being must use them. Someone must push the button. Satan, the evil powers, cannot push that button. Human beings must do it." - Dalai Lama

Three year old Syrian girl (Photography Sebastian Rich)


The loss of innocent lives and the destruction concerning the currency of life and of societies to fulfill ongoing western geopolitical agendas dictated by a plutocracy through the waging of war in this present era is one of the greatest evils the world has ever seen.

Here is a video by Retired Special Forces Master Sergeant Stan Goff explaining what military life is truly about. His words should cause those who are presently in the military to pause for a moment and contemplate the Dalai Lama's insight and to ponder the question: Am I sacrificing my freedom, energy and time away from loved ones while risking my life and limb for a lie? His words also show how heartbreaking and unnecessary the scars that will never heal, both mentally and physically, on that little girl truly are:

For those who cannot watch the video: Retired Special Forces Master Sergeant, Stan Goff, explains what military life really entails. His honest assessment about what being a military officer is truly all about: to be used as a pawn by the plutocracy to successfully accomplish their corrupt geopolitical objectives that satisfy transnational corporations interest through the use of the military industrial complex and manipulation of governments and media.

Many people have long been aware that modern warfare is waged in order to exploit people, resources, and/or to implement regime change by installing puppet governments (dictatorships) that will do the bidding for the Western cabal after the war is over. War is not waged based on the false narrative often sold through corporate news media propaganda, such as: for humanitarian reasons of liberating people and ushering in peaceful democracies, or fighting against terrorism. In fact, war is waged for inhumane reasons - the exact opposite of what many in the armed forces believed they signed up for and those in society who have drank the kool-aid that support western government agendas tend to believe.

"In the US’s so-called War on Terror, by far the greatest and most systematic terrorization of civilians is in fact perpetrated by the US state itself. Unarmed citizens are murdered across the world as ‘collateral damage’, ‘illegal enemy combatants’ or other license of impunity.

One can truly say that “the historical record demonstrates the US is provably guilty of continual lawless mass murder of civilians across the world”, but the truth is unthinkable within the ruling ideological regime.

Consider for example, the US-led deadly civil wars and coup d’etats in Venezuela and Ukraine as well as Libya and Syria. They mass terrorize and destroy societies into defenseless dependency so that their resources, lands and markets are “free” for transnational corporate exploitation. Yet the meaning is un-decoded. Ignorance is built into the syntax of acceptable thought."

U.S. Holds the World Record of Killings of Innocent Civilians; Interview with Prof. John McMurtry: www.globalresearch.ca...

War destroys the currency of life for all. There are those affected by the total decimation of society in many ways beyond the destroying of buildings and infrastructure courtesy of the U.S led NATO bombing and its destabilization campaigns that have caused the large refugee crisis currently being witnessed by us all. For instance, there are children being maimed physically from horrific injuries daily, starving from lack of food and water, and also damaged psychologically by witnessing the death of siblings and loved ones, or being sold into sex trafficking and child labour markets across the globe by rebel forces for personal funding. Then there is the long forgotten children of Odessa, Ukraine who are living alone in squalor. And let's not forget the child soldiers being forced into the killing fields on the continent of Africa. The affects are too painfully long to list them all.

"Certainly the US has long supported dictatorial and tyrannical regimes... US government has covertly directed funding and arming of the most destructive armed forces including jihadists, not only in the nations you mention, but in Syria and before that Libya, Iraq, Somalia, and Afghanistan and many much less known places like Mali. Ukraine has been similarly launched into civil war and escalated oppression by US-led destabilization, covert Special Forces, and local fascists."

"Advice For Those Considering Joining The Military [And For Those Already Enlisted]"

The above words was my intended thread title, but I went with the article title instead of the video title, which I was going to make into a separate thread. However, Prof. John McMurtry who is Canadian, and Master Sergeant Stan Goff, who is American, both possess the same understanding concerning the American military industrial complex and the U.S lead NATO Armed Forces. Therefore, since their worldviews complimented each other, I decided to combine the two threads into one.

Prof. John McMurtry was named a Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada which "is the highest honour a scholar can achieve in the Arts, Humanities and Sciences".

Master Sergeant Stan Goff is a Retired Special Forces Member which requires "advanced military skills and whose members train and lead unconventional warfare" - he was one of the military's elite. These two are well versed on the topic despite their different life paths.

"There has been almost no coup or government overthrow since 1945 not led by the US... In the US itself, the three powers of supreme legislature, executive and court are now all controlled by the same money party selecting for the same full-spectrum predation of life and life support systems everywhere to multiply themselves. Yet still the long record of the US state and its oligarch allies destroying societies across the world is unspeakable in the mass media because they themselves are financed and advertised in by the same transnational corporations that demand the resources and territories of societies everywhere.

The carcinogenic global causal mechanism is ever more evident and catastrophic, but not recognized."

Thank you for taking time and energy to read,

Involutionist


*Note to MODS: If this is in the wrong forum please move to appropriate forum. Thank you.

Hitler killed more in a matter of less than 10 years!!!!

a reply to: kurthall

The problem with Hitler killing more is that, if you look at the interview article with the guy claiming the US holds this record, he says that the United States "...funded and armed the Nazi regime of Adolf Hitler in the period between 1939 and 1945" so it's possible he's saying the United States is responsible for those deaths too. I'd say he would almost have to be, because if it is Hitler and his Nazi ilk that are responsible for the innocent civilian dead of WW2, then it would be much harder for the USA to reach those numbers. There's also something of a problem in that... in the article... he doesn't actually give any kind of overall numbers as to how many innocent dead he believes the United States is responsible for so no way to say where he got his numbers from or dispute them. Without any numbers, where is this 'record' coming from?

And what about China's cultural revolution? The great leap forward? Didn't tens of millions die during that period? Mostly due to starvation, but that was made worse because policies and actions of the government at the time? Or does that simply not count as killing innocent civilians because they were their own innocents?

It isn't as though the United States is innocent or without fault or doesn't indeed have a high body count when it comes to civilians and innocent lives, but as I mentioned, because... this guy simply doesn't give any kind of numbers when it comes to this claim I think it's hard to say it has the most.