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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Gryphon66
This thread wasn't about Trump. Quit being so triggered lashing out at everyone for it. How about email Hillary and go spastic on her?
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Gryphon66
But that gets back to the first question, if it is shown she used a c for classified of confidential information herself, do you think that is proof she lied when she said she though it meant alphabetical order?
Even if it can't be proven 100% in court, surely you are not buying this if it is found she herself used a c. And even if you do, surely you can understand the people here who think this is incredibly shady.
And you are right, that no matter what punishments there are, there will always be corruption. However, if the punishments are severe enough, it would end a lot of it.
originally posted by: xstealth
a reply to: Gryphon66
He purposely speaks on a 5th grade level so everyone can understand him, English is not everyone's first language.
Studies have shown it far more positive on the campaign trail then using a higher leveled vocabulary.
If you want to see how he normally talks then listen to him speak at congressional hearings.
Second, he's in great shape; he campaigns harder than I could and I'm half his age.
originally posted by: xstealth
a reply to: Gryphon66
No one believes she was mistaken, not even you.
We knows this is as truthful as the fact she dodged sniper fire on the runway in Bosnia.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
You have a fine, detailed mind that I haven't always appreciated.
I answered your question. Did she lie? Probably. Who knows? Can it be proven? Nope.
Let me give you a for instance that keeps me from being too overly excited by all this falderol over (c)'s ...
I'm sure you're involved in some level of a complex business.
If I put you on the spot, right off the bat, and showed you some document that you'd dealt with four years ago, and started asking you detailed questions about it ... what would your honest answer be?
Would you state that you remember a given document in perfect, crystal-clear detail?
Or would you say, in an attempt to be honest, "I don't remember."
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Gryphon66
Serious question.
If something is released that shows Hillary herself used a "C" to mark classified information, would you think this proves that she lied?
And do you think lying to the FBI is a big deal?
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Xcathdra
She is either incompetent or corrupt, none of which are fitting for someone who has decades of experience in politics and running for the highest office in the land. Not to mention, she looks like she's I'll. The cognitive dissonance must be downright painful in some supporters right now.
She has lied well enough to deceive some of her supporters, whom find comfort in their thraldom, but it looks as though her charade is cracking at the seams.
She definitely doesn't appear to live up to her reputation as a central figure in innumerable high-level conspiracies.
Consider how frequently the Clintons are alleged to be behind successful assassinations (numbering in the double digits) to cover their tracks and yet she couldn't manage to assassinate her own email server? What would that have required? A single act of arson, if that?
That's cognitive dissonance too, no?
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Grambler
She lied or was mistaken? /shrug Could you prove she lied in a court of law?
Your belief won't cut it in that venue.
I've never said anything other than politicians were corrupt ... all of them, every one and every one that WANTS to be one.
For me, it's not even a claim that corruption is rampant (it is on all sides) or that Clinton is corrupt, although, as I've said on more than one occasion ... I would bet my tin-foil cap that the BS that gets promulgated through the right-wing media is the LEAST of what she's done.
It's smoke and mirrors in an elaborate game in which there are no "sides" other than those with power and those without.
Punishments will end corruption? Oh Grambler ... again I am impressed by your idealism.
For these folks a "punishment" is more like losing a hand in poker. Temporary.
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry; shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.