How Marxism&Communism Destroys Our Civilization...2016-06-16

originally posted by: anotherdaytoday

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Money is a means of exchange, not division.

You are wrong if you exclude it.

Money is a means of division. Money has become an existantial resource since food can only be bought by money. Any means of trade leads to inequality of money. Inequality of money leads to existantial pressure. Existantial pressure leads to aggressiveness amongst people. Aggressiveness leads to division of people. You see it everday.

I would disagree with you here. If "money" are only means of interchange - freely accepted or declined - why not? Its useful to have some common sense of value of goods. I can not imagine how I can naturally exchange virtual machines in remote datacenter with my neighbors, from whom I buy delicious eggs, without some common means of interchange.

But I fully agree with your statement if we are talking about contemporary monetary system - it is elaborate schema of fraud spiraling to slavery.

Sorry ... I just read your post second time and now I see that IF. So take it, please, as dumb explanation of what you probably head as granted.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Yes hunting and agriculture is easier with money.

Agriculture and hunting needs no money, if the society was based on communism.

a reply to: anotherdaytoday

BTW that terrible Putin gave to his totally oppressed muzhiks - who loves him through theirs masochistic oriental nateru - 1-12 ha of land. For free. If they manege to cultivate it. And no, there is no communism nor socialism in Russia - its just common sense to broaden and diversify food production.

Capitalism, through absurd capital accumulation, is threat in respect of national security. Fate of my country is well documented example.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Wealth isn't fixed. That's not how it works.

Sure it is fixed at least temporary. It is fixed because no one else can take what already is in rent by someone else (I don't say "possession" because there is no possession if you have to pay regular taxes). As long as someone can pay, it is fixed. But if you have no money to pay... everything will be removed and taken by the banks. And then it is rent for the next money slave...

originally posted by: JanAmosComenius
a reply to: anotherdaytoday

BTW that terrible Putin gave to his totally oppressed muzhiks - who loves him through theirs masochistic oriental nateru - 1-12 ha of land. For free. If they manege to cultivate it. And no, there is no communism nor socialism in Russia - its just common sense to broaden and diversify food production.

Ah interesting. This reminds me of the "Siberian Jesus", which is also said to be a communist society living in Siberia independently from the rest of the world, growing their own food etc. But when watching videos it looks like some kind of "Jesus Cult"...

originally posted by: anotherdaytoday

originally posted by: JanAmosComenius
a reply to: anotherdaytoday

BTW that terrible Putin gave to his totally oppressed muzhiks - who loves him through theirs masochistic oriental nateru - 1-12 ha of land. For free. If they manege to cultivate it. And no, there is no communism nor socialism in Russia - its just common sense to broaden and diversify food production.

Ah interesting. This reminds me of the "Siberian Jesus", which is also said to be a communist society living in Siberia independently from the rest of the world, growing their own food etc. But when watching videos it looks like some kind of "Jesus Cult"...

Its tradition to have "dacha" and do some weekend gardening. Even on outskirts of cities were "garden colonies". People did not do it primarily for food but because its great creative relaxation in radius of city public transport system - something what is almost unknown in USA.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Are people getting tired of freedom?

Because that's the tiny thing people will be giving up in a communism regime.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Are people getting tired of freedom?

Because that's the tiny thing people will be giving up in a communism regime.

Remove yourself of money and then let's what freedom you got in this world. I give you a hint: you can do nothing. You can go nowhere (not even use public transport because they cost money). You are nothing (a piece of sh#t for others).

What can you do in communism without money? You can do anything as long as the community doesn't suffer from it. You can go everywhere and without cost in your country (because public transport is free). You are valued as a human being and not measured by money and estates.

Now tell me again of your so called "freedom"...

a reply to: anotherdaytoday

Give me your money and computer and go communist.

I'll take your cash and belongings and stay superficially wealthy and happy.

(I'll PM you my address)

a reply to: DBCowboy

Instead of bringing reasonable arguments, you come with a ridiculous response. Come back, when you've educated yourself.

a reply to: anotherdaytoday

You'll never sell me on the glories of no freedoms and a totalitarian communist state.

Save your sales pitch for the naïve.

originally posted by: anotherdaytoday

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Are people getting tired of freedom?

Because that's the tiny thing people will be giving up in a communism regime.

Remove yourself of money and then let's what freedom you got in this world. I give you a hint: you can do nothing. You can go nowhere (not even use public transport because they cost money). You are nothing (a piece of sh#t for others).

What can you do in communism without money? You can do anything as long as the community doesn't suffer from it. You can go everywhere and without cost in your country (because public transport is free). You are valued as a human being and not measured by money and estates.

Now tell me again of your so called "freedom"...

Do you think communism and marxism is honest? Do you think that you will have freedom? All communist revolutions end up with repressive dictatorship. The world is already ruled by hidden marxism but people still have theoretical freedom and can read whatever they want and still speak their minds in many countries.

Check the book Red Symphony from Rakovsky, a very high communist´s speech about marxism and communism;

Rakovsky scoffs at the "elementary Marxism...the demagogic popular one" that is used to dupe the intellectuals and the masses. (238) Marx was hired by Rothschild to dupe the masses. Rakovsky says Marx "laughs in his beard at all humanity." (Griffin, 240) Of course, Marx never mentioned the Rothschilds. (243)

He says the Soviet five-pointed star represents the five Rothschild brothers with their banks, who possess colossal accumulations of wealth, the greatest ever known."

Isn't it strange that Marx never mentions this fact? Rakovsky asks. Isn't it strange that during revolutions, the mobs never attack the bankers, their mansions or banks?"

In 1938, Rakovsky outlined three reasons for the upcoming Second World War. The first is that Hitler began to print his own money. "This is very serious. Much more than all the external and cruel factors in National-Socialism."

Secondly, the "fully developed nationalism of Western Europe is an obstacle to Marxism...the need for the destruction of nationalism is alone worth a war in Europe."

Finally, Communism cannot triumph unless it suppresses the "still living Christianity." He refers to the "permanent revolution" as dating from the birth of Christ, and the reformation as "its first partial victory" because it split Christianity. This suggests that the "conspiracy" also contains a racial or religious factor.

"In reality, Christianity is our only real enemy since all the political and economic phenomena of the Bourgeois States. Christianity controlling the individual is capable of annulling the revolutionary projection of the neutral Soviet or Atheist State."

Lenin laughed at the "marxists" too:

"It is impossible completely to understand Marx’s Capital, and especially its first Chapter, without having thoroughly studied and understood the whole of Hegel’s Logic. Consequently, half a century later none of the Marxists understood Marx!! "

Those who want to think for themselves still have a chance.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
You'll never sell me on the glories of no freedoms and a totalitarian communist state.

Save your sales pitch for the naïve.

You still haven't brought up an argument.

a reply to: anotherdaytoday

I'm not trying to sway you from communism.

That's the neat thing about freedom.

I don't care what you believe, as long as it doesn't infringe on my rights.

a reply to: Gaussq

Maybe this is the biggest misunderstanding in this topic. When people talk about "Communism", they always think it must be a #ty totalitarian system. They always connect it with the sh#tty communism attempts in the past. Why were this attempts sh#tty? Because a specific ruling elite wanted to stay in totalitarian power and rule as gods, while the "peasants" work for them (even in communism).
It is the same ruling elite, that is now behind the money system and stays in power by money. The money and banking system will inevitably lead to the same result - them ruling as gods - while we, the people, are constantly in debt to work for them.

Yes, I agree to have read about "that" type of communism. But this type of communism is not in the sense of a community. A community is a society which is hold together because of a common mindset and goals and work for the benefits for everyone. A community is not automatically totalitarian and does not remove your freedom of speech. Communism can be democratic as well. Communism can be done right. The fact that "Communism" is automatically associated with a totalitarian Marxism confuses so many people that they don't even think about the original meaning of a "community".

originally posted by: anotherdaytoday

Communism can be democratic as well. Communism can be done right.

But has it ever been "done right" ?

I say it hasn't, and the whole concept is just a controlled dream.

The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Frederich Engels

Read it. Then talk about it. I dare ya.

a reply to: Gryphon66

C'mon? It's like dropping a 3hr YT doco and expecting the internet to go and watch it.

...and take notes.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: anotherdaytoday

Communism can be democratic as well. Communism can be done right.

But has it ever been "done right" ?

I say it hasn't, and the whole concept is just a controlled dream.

Unfortunately not. You're right, it hasn't been done yet.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: Gryphon66

C'mon? It's like dropping a 3hr YT doco and expecting the internet to go and watch it.

...and take notes.

It's actually surprisingly short.

It was intended as a political tract.

Das Kapital would be aptly described by your post.

The Manifesto is fairly easy reading. In fact, the basic ideas (and most of the common quotes) are in Part I and the Preamble. (Sorry.)