Honest Politics: The Candidates

Let's talk about Honest Politics, and by that, let's talk about the flaws of the candidates. I'll begin with Donald Trump, and hopefully someone else can follow up with the foibles of Clinton and Sanders, and then we can step back objectively, and discuss the impact of living with each set of flaws.

First of all, Donald Trump. He wants to sell you some over priced steaks. He likes charging large amounts of money for golf courses. He operates casinos and his businesses often fold, declaring bankruptcy. His hair is a mess, and natural or not, it looks fake. He squints a lot, at almost every person at every event. He uses the term "HUUGE" a lot. He shamelessly promotes himself, is a 20th century business style womanizer, and has more in common with a mafia crime family than a game show host, but only marginally so.

He makes grown men, and women cry. He intimidates people to get his way and cries foul when cornered with the reality of his bullying or foolishness. He lacks so much guile as to be a flawed person when discussing delicate issues that traditionally require more diplomacy to resolve without war, riots, or vast lost of employment or net worth.

He flip flops on issues he isn't interested about, and claims to be interested in many issues he is not. While he is honestly obsessed with American Jobs, Trade, and the principles of Populism (which most mistake for democracy), he is otherwise indifferent in matters of abortion, gun control, and church v state - although he does feel very strongly about pre-established Holdays like Christmas, which some also find offensive. Trump is famous for setting of pyramid schemes, and scams, and proudly claims some odd 500 different businesses, of which some fail, and some disenfranchise people. Although it could be argued his fake university is directly a product of his will, and therefore he can be liable directly, it is more accurate to say his fake university is just one of hundreds of projects that he signed on to, but had little actual involvement in, compared with more heavily invested projects like the Apprentice. In fact, the probability that he could be seriously affiliated and thus convicted as a person, rather than a brand in the university case, is paradoxical, though a legal argument - the people are suing him for his non involvement in the project, while the press is trying to attack him for his involvement in the same project. Obviously, if he showed up and was as involved in the University as often as he made appearances in the Apprentice, there would likely be far less to litigate. Sadly, Universities are actually relatively cheap to set up compared with the assets of a billionaire. It only takes a few million dollars to set up an accredited specialized business school with instructors, which makes the whole thing seem even more ridiculous, but not necessarily sinister.

Trump University, like his Trump Steaks, and his phrasing of why people Need the Wall, attest not to the malevolence of a candidate, but the lack of care and competence in approaching issues. His self promotion scandal, and the recent plan to attack Clinton on Whitewater being leaked by an incorrectly sent email are samples of a Bafoon, not a wolf in sheep's clothing or a diabolical monster.

Apologies if I missed something, but let's hear about the other candidates next.

Lightweight criticisms. Do you think stuff like this is really helpful?

His hair is a mess, and natural or not, it looks fake. He squints a lot, at almost every person at every event. He uses the term "HUUGE" a lot.

Even in your more substantive issues, you document nothing and play with superlatives. About Trump's "business failures," for example, how many? How many compared to his successes? I don't know myself, When I try to find out all I get are Trump hit pieces. This is the kind of information a "Low Information Voter" would react to.

It's like saying of Hillary, "Hillary is old and has wrinkles and coughs a lot. She also cackles when she laughs and everyone knows she's a lesbian."

This kind of "analysis" -- of any candidate -- is superficial at best.

a reply to: skynet2015

You should know by now that anything "negative" about Trump adds to his vote total.

This one is good for +30,000.

a reply to: schuyler

The number of business failures isn't really relevant, it's the frequency of them that matters. With the number of businesses Trump has he's able to have one business purchase a bunch of debt from his other businesses, and then just bankrupt the one eliminating debt from 100+ businesses while only having the paper trail show one as having failed.

That wall thing again, when did it become taboo to enforce our current federal laws?

Even though the Presidency is a Truly powerless position (Congress has the power if they CHOOSE to use it to flat out nope and override any thing a President does) it comes down to who would be the most entertaining to be in the office.

Trump - He is hilarious to watch, he knows how to play the cameras the jokes would be available. Plus he is just innocent enough to think that the Office of the President has power. His poor wall it will not go though it will be defunded... funny our current congress must love everything Obama does no where was his plans thwarted by the power of the purse.

Hilary- Only up side of her being in office is the Shenanigans of her husband would be entertainment for another 4 years. She knows there is no power in the office, but she has in the background set up all types of stings she can pull to get things done. And a president that can get things done is not always a good thing.

Bernie- This one is a life long politician, also knows the whole thing is a sham, but he would be neutered upon entry just for the fact the Republicans would fight him, and the DNC for all intents and purpose as of right now looks to not be behind him at all. Other wise he would be DULL as HECK.

originally posted by: CoBaZ... funny our current congress must love everything Obama does no where was his plans thwarted by the power of the purse.

Of course they do. Obama has governed extremely similarly to Bush which is center/right, who in turn governed similar to Clinton again center/right, and Bush center/right, and Reagan center/right. We've had literally the exact same thing since 1981... outside of the political theater they speak of on TV Congress loves it. Hillary is yet even more center/right.

a reply to: skynet2015

Clinton is center-right like every president from 81 forward. But she seems to be centred on corruption and she seems to think it's right lol.

Cheers - Dave

AND yet ALL we hear from those who know him BEST is, he is a great guy...unlike Hillary of course who is a polar opposite.
ALL we hear is how GREAT she is and the Wicked Which of the West looks like she's from a CHARM school in comparison.

a reply to: skynet2015

Trump should be called Teflon Don. He can say or do anything and nothing sticks when it comes to his supporters. I sometimes think his hair has a hypnotic effect on people.

originally posted by: xuenchen

You should know by now that anything "negative" about Trump adds to his vote total.

This one is good for +30,000.

For every person who jumps on board because they hear something bad about Trump, that makes one less credible person in the world too. Usually one more hypocrite too. (As long as what is said is true and accurate that is.)

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
AND yet ALL we hear from those who know him BEST is, he is a great guy...unlike Hillary of course who is a polar opposite.
ALL we hear is how GREAT she is and the Wicked Which of the West looks like she's from a CHARM school in comparison.

Of course. What would you expect??? Everyone has friends. Mob bosses and hit men still have friends and family that speak well about them. They still do fun things with the people they know. They just also occasionally murder someone, steal from people, extort money from someone, run a sex ring, etc.

Everyone has people close to them that speak well about that person. That doesn't mean they aren't also a complete nightmare for everyone else though.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: skynet2015

Trump should be called Teflon Don. He can say or do anything and nothing sticks when it comes to his supporters. I sometimes think his hair has a hypnotic effect on people.

Ya, but isn't that giving him credit for they're failure to see his flaws??? It's not that he's extra smart about hiding his faults, it's more about his supporters being too thick headed to identify them.

a reply to: mOjOm

And the media HATES him.
Win ,win.

a reply to: mOjOm

Yeah Clinton sucked....wait

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Well, they Love and Hate him.

They might hate him, but he does great things for their ratings so they also love him. But realistically, it's the media and I doubt they are even capable of such emotions. Like a psychopath they neither Love or Hate anything, but they can fake it when they need to.

a reply to: mOjOm

Depends on the paycheck really...

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: mOjOm

Yeah Clinton sucked....wait

Yes, Clinton does suck. There is a good chance that Clinton's Suckishness is so powerful that just that alone may be enough to push Trump over the finish line.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Wasn't that first debate, or the second, I don't remember. But didn't one of those debates have the highest ever number of viewers or something like that???

You know that when you can say your station had the most viewers ever in TV history, that's some serious bragging rights.

a reply to: mOjOm

Don't have cable.