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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: Annee
What? Can you arm reach any further?
Everyone pees. Facilities exist. You don't like the facilities, or need special accommodations - - bring your own litter box.
So, they do have to conform to your views...
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: Annee
Logical, practical, fits all. Existing facilities.
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So, only your views are "logical and practical". Is that it?
No matter how often you try to put words in my mouth you still get it wrong. I have never said anyone has a right to impose anything on anyone.
Some of you seem to be claiming that only some types of "personality disorders" have a right to impose their mental disability to others, and others have to conform to only "some" people with personality disorders.
Gender dysphoria is not a disorder, but you mean like they have been "forced" to do for years and years?
It's going to be very expensive, but still it would be better than forcing everyone who is a woman, minor to have to dress and undress, or do other necessities with people with male genitals who have a mental disorder.
originally posted by: Annee
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Sorry, but "Furries" are not being discriminated against. No matter how many times/ways you try to twist it.
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
In case you haven't noticed, or you can't understand what my point is. People with "personality disorders" have mental disorders. Some of you seem to be claiming that only some types of "personality disorders" have a right to impose their mental disability to others, and every one else have to conform to only "some" people with personality disorders.
originally posted by: Phage
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Gender dysphoria is not a disorder, but you mean like they have been "forced" to do for years and years?
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: Annee
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Sorry, but "Furries" are not being discriminated against. No matter how many times/ways you try to twist it.
You are discriminating against them because you claim that only people with gender disorders have a right to impose their will on society, and if furry people want their own 'toilet" to "bring it with them".
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: Phage
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Gender dysphoria is not a disorder, but you mean like they have been "forced" to do for years and years?
So, the transgender community who wanted to push for their views to be imposed on the rest of the population . . .
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Annee
Does what they think they are, matches their physical appearance?
So, the transgender community who wanted to push for their views to be imposed on the rest of the population have made enough lawsuits, and have pushed enough representatives and scientists "to change what their mental disorder is".
originally posted by: Annee
Transgenders just want to pee.
It is the Fundamental Christian Right who is imposing law to prevent them from a normal human function.
Get it right - - - who exactly is imposing on who.
You really enjoy throwing that word around, "proven." You have proven nothing. There is no new right, gender based discrimination has been unlawful for a while now.
I have already proven that there are transgenders and people in the LGB community who oppose the imposition of "this new right by a section of the transgender community".
Same rights. Same rights as Christian women, and men. Right to be married. Right to use the restroom which corresponds to their gender. Do you think there are no Christian trangenders?
That's a major assumption on your part. Even so, are you claiming that those transgenders who want to use women's restrooms have more rights than Christian women?...
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Not all women, and minors who want their own safe space when using the restroom and locker rooms are Christian... That's a major assumption on your part. Even so, are you claiming that those transgenders who want to use women's restrooms have more rights than Christian women?...
originally posted by: Phage
You really enjoy throwing that word around, "proven." You have proven nothing. There is no new right, gender based discrimination has been unlawful for a while now.
The man who's had TWO sex changes: Incredible story of Walt, who became Laura, then REVERSED the operation because he believes surgeons in US and Europe are too quick to operate
Walt Heyer had sex change to become a woman when he was 42 years old
After eight years living as Laura Jensen, he reverted back to being a man
He believes the desire to change gender stems from psychological trauma
Heyer controversially disputes that Gender Dysphoria is a genetic disorder
Now 74, he acts as a counselor to those considering a sex change surgery
Psychological vetting of patients before operation is inadequate, he claims
By Jay Akbar For Mailonline
Published: 03:10 EST, 26 January 2015 | Updated: 07:38 EST, 26 January 2015
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Public School LGBT Programs Don't Just Trample Parental Rights. They Also Put Kids at Risk.
by Walt Heyer
within Education, Marriage, Sexuality
June 8th, 2015
No matter what well-intentioned teachers and administrators believe, LGBT acceptance programs designed by GLSEN and funded by the CDC are designed to encourage kids to question their gender identity and sexual orientation.
Through his executive appointments, President Obama has helped expose American schoolchildren to activism that places them at risk.
On May 19, 2009, a few short months after his inauguration, Obama gave the green light to Secretary of Education Arne Duncan to appoint Kevin Jennings to a top position to influence school policy: the post of Assistant Deputy Secretary for the Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools, also known as the “safe schools czar.” Jennings, a powerful LGBT rights activist who is himself a gay man, was the founder of the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN). GLSEN is one of the largest LGBT activist organizations in the nation and is devoted to promoting homosexuality in K-12 schools. Jennings served as “safe schools czar” from 2009-2011.
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originally posted by: Phage
Same rights. Same rights as Christian women, and men.
Man-splaining Is No Excuse For Invading Girls’ Locker Rooms
By Bethany Mandel
September 3, 2015
The 150 Missouri girls who walked out of their locker room when a young man barged in, insisting he’s a woman, are courageous and deserve admiration, not man-splaining.
One hundred and fifty students at a high school in Missouri are braver than I am. Up until now, I have not really shared how politically incorrect I am: I refuse to use pronouns of someone’s choosing. If a man was born a man, I will call him “he” and vice versa for a woman.
While I’ve been told I should use a pronoun of one’s choosing out of respect and kindness, I decline to do so because I refuse to play along with the delusion. We don’t play along with the delusions of schizophrenics, and I won’t play along with the notion that someone with a penis is somehow a woman. It’s usually the same folks who scream about (the complicated) science on global warming also asking the rest of us to ignore basic human biology. The times, they may be a changin’, but I refuse to go along with the tide. The situation in Missouri is why.
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Mr Heyer believes that hormones and surgery are inappropriate treatments for transsexual people in some sites and does not in others. In his blog he wrote, "Please understand--I have no desire to stop the gender change operations for those individuals who clinically and or medically need the procedure." yet on his website he writes, "I want to challenge the status quo of that accepted 'treatment.' Because suicide is not a passive consequence when changing genders."
He considers the cause of transsexuality to be based in aberrations in family dynamics rather than physical causes and has a link to a psychologist, Marc S. Dillworth, Ph.D., who apparently practices reparative therapy for trans people. He seems to be using the same strategy against the Standards of Care that National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) uses against same sex attracted people, using distortions and erroneous conclusions of scientific studies to prove his claims. www.susans.org...
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: Phage
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Gender dysphoria is not a disorder, but you mean like they have been "forced" to do for years and years?
So, the transgender community who wanted to push for their views to be imposed on the rest of the population . . .
Transgenders just want to pee.
It is the Fundamental Christian Right who is imposing law to prevent them from a normal human function.
Get it right - - - who exactly is imposing on who.