Climate Change Denial, Anyone?

a reply to: lSkrewloosel

yep, thats pretty much it. a few people deny it but they arent worth mentioning. there are very little of them.

As this article states , climate change is now disrupting the pattern of the monsoon cycle, bringing floods and droughts all over South Asia. One Indian city recently had to bring in water by train because its local aquifers had all dried up. Others are drowning in massive floods.

I began this thread at the beginning of the monsoon season. That season is ending now. In my country it brought destructive floods in the first few days, then failed. The year's second rice harvest is going to fail too, as a result. But some people here on ATS still haven't got the point.

It is clear now they never will. What a pity that the rest of us must suffer the consequences of their selfishness, obstinacy and folly along with them.

a reply to: Astyanax

its still just weather.

Tired of Control Freaks

originally posted by: Astyanax
As this article states , climate change is now disrupting the pattern of the monsoon cycle, bringing floods and droughts all over South Asia. One Indian city recently had to bring in water by train because its local aquifers had all dried up. Others are drowning in massive floods.

I began this thread at the beginning of the monsoon season. That season is ending now. In my country it brought destructive floods in the first few days, then failed. The year's second rice harvest is going to fail too, as a result. But some people here on ATS still haven't got the point.

It is clear now they never will. What a pity that the rest of us must suffer the consequences of their selfishness, obstinacy and folly along with them.

Start driving a Prius or Tesla. That'll do the trick.

a reply to: Astyanax

Rather than begging the rest of the world to "care" and agree to donate massive funds to developing countries, you could try taking some responsibility and start agitating for policy changes as it pertains to farming in India.

Re-curring drought conditions in many parts of India are leading to starvation and distress migration. Rural poor are the worst victims of crop failure, compounded by a slump in construction activities and non-availability of work in the MGNREGA rural employment scheme. However, drought cannot be blamed entirely on monsoon failure or on climate change; a flawed agricultural policy is a bigger causative factor in the collapse of farm and dairy production in semi-arid regions.

It won't please His Holy Pompous Al Gore but its likely to be more effective!

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

You are not even trying to be reasonable,much less actually look at the science, the observations, the actual facts behind human induced climate change.

The reality is we are changing this planet, that includes the climate and weather patterns.

Science can help us, however greed and the profitability of ravaging this planet for her resources is a much more powerful force to reckon with. In order to heal this planet, we need to find a way to tackle the greed that is associated with the elite few who profit greatly from exploiting this planet.

a reply to: jrod

JROD

Facts are FACTS! The problems with the rice crop failure in India has more to do with agricultural policies then with climate change.

You want to put trillions into controlling weather to avoid dealing with problems that are immediately solvable.

Get plastics out of the ocean, stop discharging pesticides into the ocean, closely examine agricultural practices.

You may have all the science in the world! what you don't have are effective solutions. Try dealing with reality for a change.


Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

And all you have is rhetoric; hot air.

Poor agricultural practices, the trash problem, the sea and fresh water poisoning problems all deserve their own thread....this thread is about human induced climate change, something that is being driven by our addiction to burning fossil fuels for energy.

What solutions do you propose to tackle human induced climate change?

a reply to: jrod

I propose dealing with existing problems before we start inventing more!

You are the one who is always going on about what an environmentalist you are????? but you would rather donate scare dollars to rich people in underdeveoped countries than actually do something concrete to resolve issues.

One of the biggest issues is agricultural run-off. It means nothing to you

plastics is next! means nothing to you.

But if you can try to tug at someone's heartstrings to try and get agreement, you do it!

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

No...dont put words in my mouth. See threads I've started about Florida's crisis. Naturally I am concerned about water pollution, excess trash, ect... that of course are talking points for other threads.

Are you trying to deny that we are not observing a sharp increase of CO2 concentrations?

That is a real and very much concerning reality that goes along with the topic of this thread.

a reply to: jrod

we are NOT discussing current levels of CO2. We are discussing the sensitivity of climate to changes in CO2.

So far we seem to have reached the conclusion the CO2 is responsible for only 0.16 degrees celcius in warming. The rest is due to natural variability.

So out of 0.8 degrees of warming CO is responsible for 20 % of warming and the remainder is due to natural variability.

Don't pee your pants as you run in circles in complete and utter panic.

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

We are NOT discussing current levels of CO2. We are discussing the sensitivity of climate to changes in CO2.

We are discussing nothing of the kind. This thread is a discussion of examples of climate change that are already occurring.

I am grateful to you for your off-topic, babbling contribution, however. Your participation has (1) helped to my thread going for over thirty pages and (2) made patent to even casual viewers the grotesque absurdity of the denial you so desperately cling to while the sky falls on our collective head.

You have probably done more to convince others on this thread of the stupidity of climate change denial than anything I could ever have done.

Thank you, thank you!

a reply to: Astyanax

Or you want to discuss examples of climate change?

1. India-the heat wave from El Nino was terrible. I am sure that your people suffered terribly but however, there was a similar heat wave in 1956.

You were terribly fustrated and wondered why people didn't seem to care. Funny but I live in Canada and we suffer through -50 degree cold waves that last 3 to six weeks. Cold kills far faster and is more lethal than heat. At those temperatures, exposed flesh freezes in less than a minute. Canadians don't demand that people feel sorry for us however.

2. Coral bleaching around Australia. The species is dying. The world is coming to an end. Everybody panic and throw your money into carbon credits. Its the only thing that will save the world.

Except, except for the fact that coral bleaching doesn't mean the coral is dead. Its means the coral is stressed and have evicted its symbiots. Turns out that pesticides in run-off and tourism is having a terrible effect. It could be easily addressed but that is of NO interest to warmists. So how much do they really care about the coral? Turns out that when warmists say that they care about the environment and accusing others of being short-sighted and selfish, what they really mean is "throw your money into carbon credits", we are fund-raising here.

BTW - that coral bleaching news media blitz. Turns out it was planned propaganda.

www.theaustralian.com.au...

Dr Reichelt said maps accompanying the research had been misleading, exaggerating the ­impact. “I don’t know whether it was a deliberate sleight of hand or lack of geographic knowledge but it certainly suits the purpose of the people who sent it out,” he said.

“This is a frightening enough story with the facts, you don’t need to dress them up. We don’t want to be seen as saying there is no ­problem out there but we do want people to understand there is a lot of the reef that is unscathed.” Dr Reichelt said there had been widespread misinterpretation of how much of the reef had died. “We’ve seen headlines stating that 93 per cent of the reef is prac­tic­ally dead,” he said. “We’ve also seen reports that 35 per cent, or even 50 per cent, of the entire reef is now gone.

Now here is a logical question. If the coral reef is NOT being affected to any unusual extent that it proves that the ocean around the reef was not as warm as stated. Could this be proof of exaggerated temperature records that have been adjusted in such a way that it no longer matches real world conditions?

3. There is a wildfire in Alberta Canada

There is always a wildfire in Alberta after an El Nino. Its been going on forever. Further 2015 and 2016 were drought years. Caused by El Nino.

Alberta and much of western Canada experienced a serious drought last year. So great was the impact on farmers, the province declared an agricultural emergency. The dry conditions continued through the winter with the western part of Canada then feeling the impact of El Niño. Scientists say the current El Niño event is one of the strongest on record, with the effects felt all over the world including a reduced monsoon in India and droughts in parts of Africa.

Further, although warmist scientists are quick to blame climate change as a "factor", here is another overlooked one

One factor that is often overlooked in the race to discover the causes of natural disasters is demography.
Just before the last major El Niño in 1997, the population of Fort McMurray was just over 30,000. The last census indicated it was over 60,000.
More people means not just a greater impact when fires occur, it also suggests the chances of one starting are increased.
"There is this thing called the wild land urban interface, which is where people's homes get increasingly close to environments still undeveloped - and fire is able to come out of these 'natural' areas," Prof Wooster said.
"And if you get more people you are more likely to get ignitions."

One factor that is often overlooked in the race to discover the causes of natural disasters is demography. Just before the last major El Niño in 1997, the population of Fort McMurray was just over 30,000. The last census indicated it was over 60,000. More people means not just a greater impact when fires occur, it also suggests the chances of one starting are increased. "There is this thing called the wild land urban interface, which is where people's homes get increasingly close to environments still undeveloped - and fire is able to come out of these 'natural' areas," Prof Wooster said. "And if you get more people you are more likely to get ignitions."

And the biggest factor of all - lack of proper forest management. The forest should have been logged around Fort McMurray to create fire breaks. It wasn't because ignorant "environmentals" don't like logging. This is the resutl.

4. Drought in Texas caused by El Nino. But it also eased the drought in California.

There was also snow in Germany in July. Peru - 168 people dead of the cold

www.infiniteunknown.net...

Also snowing in Austria, Switzerland, and Italy. “Europeans Stunned As Winter Strikes In Mid July!” “Snow Down To Only 1500 Meters” ”Extremely Rare” “For mid July such a low elevation snowfall is extremely rare,” reports meteorologist Dominik Jung. “Clearly snow is not real unusual in June or late August at these elevations, but in July it is truly an unusual event to witness. This summer is not only behaving like fall, but even like winter.

www.peruviantimes.com...

Peru’s government has declared a state of emergency in parts of the southern Andean region of Puno that have been hit with the coldest temperatures in a decade, daily El Comercio reported. President Ollanta Humala, visiting the area this week, announced the emergency for seven provinces in Puno – Carabaya, Sandia, Lampa, San Antonio de Putina, Melgar, Puno and El Collao. Hundreds of families have been affected and more than 250,000 alpacas have died due to freezing temperatures and snow storms that have hit the southern highlands. Vehicles on the highway between Puno and Arequipa were also affected. Passengers on interprovincial buses were forced to wait some eight to 10 hours on the icy highways at temperatures of minus 15 degrees Celsius.

So exactly where did your post provide proof of CACW. Its all propaganda. Make a media blitz out of anything that you think supports your position and stay real quiet on the things that don't.

The extent to which the coral reef was bleaching and how it was so cleverly exaggerated is proof that the WARMISTS haven't got a leg to stand on and are now making it up.

BTW - if you think I am the reason that your post was extended to 30 pages, its because people are interested in what is being discussed. If people weren't interested, it would have died in 2 pages. That is about all that lies are worth.

And you are welcome.

Tired of Control Freaks

July, Greenland's ice cap summit, temperature recorded as minus 30.7 C by the danish meteorological service, but it will still be the hottest year on record.
NASA satellites record no change in average temperatures world wide for the last 18 years.
From historical records, the 'weather' is always changing, I just do not believe the latest 'change' is man made, sorry.
Actually, no, I'm not sorry, nothing to be sorry for.

Yawn.

a reply to: pikestaff

NASA satellites record no change in average temperatures world wide for the last 18 years.

False.

a reply to: Phage

Phage - screaming false is not a post. Its an opinion. You know and I know that there was a pause, a time period of 18 years during which the rate of global warming fell drastically and it has still not resumed. El Nino years cause a temporary spike because the ocean is shedding its heat. A temporary spike caused by El Nino is global warming.

If you disagree, you have to provide evidence and not just call out "false" as if you are some kind of arbiter whose judgement cannot be questioned.

What is your opinion about the false report that led the world to think the coral reef was half dead and the rest was dying, when, in fact, the stress on the coral reef was normal for an El Nino year?

Something is out of control here and the CAGW crowd is it the bottom of it. Would you care to comment?

Tired of Control Freaks

originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: Phage

Phage - screaming false is not a post. Its an opinion. You know and I know that there was a pause, a time period of 18 years during which the rate of global warming fell drastically and it has still not resumed. El Nino years cause a temporary spike because the ocean is shedding its heat. A temporary spike caused by El Nino is global warming.

If you disagree, you have to provide evidence and not just call out "false" as if you are some kind of arbiter whose judgement cannot be questioned.

What is your opinion about the false report that led the world to think the coral reef was half dead and the rest was dying, when, in fact, the stress on the coral reef was normal for an El Nino year?

Something is out of control here and the CAGW crowd is it the bottom of it. Would you care to comment?

Tired of Control Freaks

But that's not apparent to me. This is going to be one of the hottest years on record and most of the last 10 or so years have also been record breaking. Anecdotally, Even though I know it's not the whole picture, Las Vegas has been having record breaking temps for the last decade. Where is the pause you talk about?

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Phage - screaming false is not a post. Its an opinion.

False.

It is indeed a post, and it is notable and acceptable when it's a post made by someone who knows what they're talking about.

Screaming "LIAR!" is what's ridiculous.

I'm amazed at how many of you are on here - you who won't learn ---- just because you don't know something you attack everyone else who does and is trying to help you LEARN. Wutever

a reply to: amazing

Go to the global temperatures. Look at the rate of warming from the late 1970s to about 1998. draw a line thru it. When CACW started, scientists alarmed the world by claiming that the current rate of warming was unprecedented in history. Then look at the rate of warming from 1998 to 2014 (2015 was an El Nino year)

This is a quick and dirty explanation

www.climatedepot.com... t-in-paris/

Tired of Control Freaks