Does a Human Being Have a Right to Exist Free from Government and Society?

This is a serious question. Does a human being have a right to exist without joining a society or government (at least in an official way). People are, in my opinion, born into slavery 99.9% of the time. Unless you are born into a lost tribe in the jungles of Peru then you have been a slave from birth. Our society reminds me of the 'Brave New World' where you cannot exist without the blessing of the government.

Obviously society doesn't believe a human has the right to be born, but what happens once you ARE born? Are we given a choice to live free from society and government? There are smart asses here on ATS that say 'move' if you want to be free, but WHERE? There is no place to live that hasn't been claimed by some heavy handed 'government'.

I am frustrated by the number of people on ATS that accept globalism, socialism and other "ism's" that simply aren't in the best interest of the individual. Sure they are great if you want to live your life micro-chipped with a number and electronic identity, but why can't we live in a world or at least an island somewhere free from centralized government?

I know I am naive to some extent, but I am tired of hearing the 'get over it' type of responses or well, we already have some Socialism in the United States. To me an answer like that is like well, we already gave you a broken leg so why not have both of them broken? I want my broken leg to get better not have my other leg broken.

Anyway, I have backed off of ATS lately because frankly I am tired of all of the arguing and politics. I am a simple man who wants the right to be alive without your global government and society. I wish we could go back to communities and leave the globalists out of luck.

I am simply tired of being forced to participate in taxes and government that spends their resources killing other humans for no reason I can understand. I just want the right to exist without your interference in my life.

Yes, it's not easy, society needs consumers. I like having some form of civilised society, but I'm sure monks pretty much drop out of society of all religions

"No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee."
-Donne

good question. in theory, sure, a person can be free. in practice, the problem is finding a place.
I suspect much of the third world will leave you alone, but you might have to bribe the local jefes to get there.

there's always North Sentinel Island!
badassoftheweek.com...

a reply to: Metallicus

Does a human being have a right to exist without joining a society or government (at least in an official way).

The true meaning of self determination, sovereignty, freedom and liberty.

Lots of luck with those definitions today.

I bet the U.N. says no right to.

originally posted by: Metallicus
This is a serious question. Does a human being have a right to exist without joining a society or government (at least in an official way). People are, in my opinion, born into slavery 99.9% of the time. Unless you are born into a lost tribe in the jungles of Peru then you have been a slave from birth. Our society reminds me of the 'Brave New World' where you cannot exist without the blessing of the government.

There's a few issues with this notion. The individual would have to be exempt from nearly everything paid for by taxes, for one, yet they would still have to abide by the laws of the land because, well, they still live in the same country. They would have to pay for a lot of things that would be taken for granted otherwise, such as Health Care if you live in a country with a Universal Health Care plan.

Then what about Roads and such? Things that are paid for by the government or cities, and only really exist as they do because of the continual input of taxes, which that individual would also be exempt from.

It's just a bit of a paradox. You want to live in a country, but you want to be without their taxes, yet must still use their services.

I completely agree that all government systems have their own levels of corruption, and that the choices they make do not reflect that of it's citizens almost at all. As much as I want to escape from being a slave to the system, there's very little we can do to really and truly achieve that.

However, I would say the best bet would be to make it easier for tight-knit communities to form and live, things like communes and little 'micro societies'. If we can make it viable, safe, and legal to form 'off-grid' communities, then I would say that would be the best of both worlds.

a reply to: Metallicus

I read the OP, asked permission from my local administrator to fill out form 29058-295, to ask a question. I submitted the question posited by the OP.

They replied within 4 to 6 business days.

The answer was, "No".

Seriously? I feel the same way, but we have passed that exit a long time ago. People see the internet as a frickin' "right" not to mention everything else. We have become a society of drones sucking on the teat of mama government.

There are no freedoms or liberties that aren't granted to us by the ruling class of politicians.

But that doesn't mean that everything is crap on the horizon.

Maybe one day we can be free again.

I still fight the good fight when I can and so do many others.

a reply to: Metallicus
You could always go to an uninhabited island. Then again, if you do you might go nuts from loneliness and start talking to a soccer ball or something.

a reply to: Metallicus

I think you are asking the wrong question, it should be is it possible for a human being to live free from society and government and the answer seems a rather obvious no.

Unless you can describe to me how a human being can live completely separate from society then the right will remiain a moot point. Even in the smallest communities you will still have government and society.

a reply to: Metallicus

Give up College football, a great barbeque, air conditioning, a massage, roasted garlic soup....

My vote goes to privileged servitude....

a reply to: Metallicus

The problem is that all relatively habitable land (and some not-so-habitable) has been claimed by one nation or another...so the question would have to be, which country is going to give sovereignty to people and the land they want without any strings attached?

I think that we both know the answer to that.

The conundrum that comes up in your question is that IF said individual wants to reap the benefits of any part of a nation's society (roads, stores, schools, military protection, etc.), he or she should, by virtue of integrity alone, be willing to be a part of that society, or at least contribute to it in some way.

I think the problem (or issue) at the core of the question is human nature. Humans have a natural desire to live in numbers, as they add both protection and capabilities to thrive instead of survive. Very few would ever want to truly break away and be their own sovereign individual, and those who do would most likely be overtaken by similar sovereign people who may not have such similar benign intentions, and then slowly the cycle of overbearing rulers begins anew.

I'm uncertain if human beings were meant to live absolutely free as individuals because of that need to gather as a collective. The best that we can hope for, in my assessment, is the most freedom-protecting government that we can get. I don't think, though, that the natural desire for power by the types who would run to be rulers of a nation will allow that to happen, or at least to last very long.

a reply to: Metallicus

No they do not have any such right. Rights are granted by society and the laws that govern it. Once you remove yourself from society, by whatever means, you remove yourself from any such rights. But yes, there is nothing stopping you from being a hermit and putting distance between you and other people.

a reply to: Metallicus

You have to have some rules in society or you end up having anarchy. For example, if we didn't have government regulations on forming monopolies, consumers would be paying out the nose for consumer products. If we didn't have government programs like OSHA or allow organized labor, we would still have unsafe working conditions. No laws, crime would be rampant.

You say socialism is a bad thing, but it's YOUR MONEY in the form of taxes who is funding billions in foreign aid, trillions towards a military program that's used way too often to occupy other countries, covertly influence other governments, and create conflicts when there's no direct threat to our homeland. How about the outrageous salaries and benefits of our politicians? What about the political earmarks added to government projects? As a taxpayer, you have every right to expect a return on your tax investment that benefits you and the citizens of this country.

I'm tired of hearing people say, "I'm tired of all my money being spent to pay for government programs like Medicare and social security." These people act like they're the only ones paying into these programs! We all do! Yet nobody complains when government officials keep robbing money out of these same programs which you and I have paid into! That's called embezzling for the rest of us. You may not like the idea of welfare or food stamp programs, but just because you're not a recipient of it now, there could be a time in your life where you may have to swallow your pride and take advantage of it. It's a safety net for all citizens. Sure some are taking advantage of it, and the laws need to change to stop people from looking at it as a way of life. All programs are not perfect and they need to be revised to eliminate waste and the criminal element who are taking advantage of it. Social Security and Medicare is extremely beneficial to the elderly and those program are being constantly being attacked. What I find disgusting, is all of us have paid into these systems, yet our politicians want to eliminate or make cuts to them!!!

There's nothing wrong with government lending a helping hand to it's citizens. Government is for the people and by the people. It's not for corporate and lobby interests. It's not to support career politicians and outrageous military budgets.
Since when is helping your fellow man a bad thing?

a reply to: WeRpeons

I wouldn't say helping my fellow man is a bad thing, but I also wouldn't say forcing me to help them is me doing a good thing.

I draw the line at being FORCED to donate my money.

Yes, we do. We can be dependant ourselves if we are willing to do the hard work. Are you also asking if we have a purpose? Well, at birth we might think we don't (or do) and that we merely awake, eat, work/play, sleep, repeat.

Actually during those cycles, we have consciousness. We choose what to do that day. We are given the raw materials everyday in order to form our purpose. Thus, having that feeling of importance.

Being born a "slave", isn't what you think it is. Think for a bit, and consider yourself lucky, for now. You may complain about working 9-5 shifts, but take a look at the poorer side of societies and how their governments treat them worse. We don't go too far, just look at some Latin America countries.

Be grateful for being where you are, take for granted those raw materials and form a purpose. Forget what socially people do or say. Forget the government if they are killing innocent people. You're not doing any of those " bad" things.

Like one virus can kill a body, you can be that cure that heals the body.

Fine if you can find a place, but if you are going to be free of the rest of us, you can't very well take any advantage of what society has to offer either. You'd have to be completely 100% isolated and provide for your own self without ANY help whatsoever. You can't be "free of society and government" and still go to the grocery store.

"Rights" have no meaning in isolation.

If the low oil prices continue maibe you can claim a deserted oil plataform as your own lawless land in a few months

It is possible to live for "free" but it does require a lot of work.

If you can truly find a way to live without the need of money then you can do it.

Here's one way of doing it, but it requires an initial investment:
Save up $30,000.00. Sell your house and car, pay off all outstanding bills and credit and try and have $30,000.00 after taxes left over.

Buy 5 acres of rural land with no paved road access. Try to find land buried behind a ranch and borders a national forest. Perhaps find a rancher that will sell you the acreage.
The point would be is to have your own land that borders a national forest or wildlife preserve.
Never officially build or develop this land and do not set up an address or anything or request any services of any kind.

Set up a bank account and a system that will automatically pay the property tax every year.
$10,000 is the estimated cost for the 5 acres of undeveloped farm land.
$20,000 is for the estimated taxes for the next 35-40 years.

Go and build a small cabin and grow small gardens in natural areas of sunlight.
No more electricity or connectivity. No address. No easy contact.
You'd have to learn to hunt, fish and dry cure meat, what to grow and where and when to grow.

No need to worry about what day it is or what year it is or who the president is.


If you have a lot more money to spend on this "escape" then you could always bump it up and add on:

- more acerage
- more money for paying taxes longer
- solar panels and batteries
- satellite dish and a personal contract for your own personal phone provider and cable skimmer and internet.
- several back up solar power systems with panels, left in their boxes, in your storage cabin.
- several banks of back up batteries, in the storage cabin
- back up satellite dishes packed in storage
- 10 unopened imac computers, storage.

Forget about canned food and all the sh#t that will one day run out.

Start fresh and get everything there on site or go hungry.

Tptb took us off the land, and would claim that we are all at sea, hence all the nautical terms. I guess a declaration and a do not resuscitate order should take care of it, if done properly. But make no bones about it, this is indeed a holy war, your choice is the side you choose. Do you really think London burnt itself down?