Terrorism is not motivated by religion .

Blaming religion as the cause of terrorist activity ,
is a simplistic generalisation .
Convenient ... but wrong .

There Are Two Causes of Terrorism

All terrorist acts are motivated by two things:

"Social and political injustice:
People choose terrorism
when they are trying to right what they perceive to be
a social or political or historical wrong—when they have
been stripped of their land or rights, or denied these.
The belief that violence or its threat will be effective,
and usher in change. Another way of saying this is: the
belief that violent means justify the ends. Many terrorists
in history said sincerely that they chose violence after
long deliberation, because they felt they had no choice.

Although many people today believe that that religious
fanaticism "causes" terrorism, it isn't true. It may
be true that religious fanaticism creates conditions
that are favorable for terrorism. But we know that
religious zealotry does not 'cause' terrorism because
there are many religious fanatics who do not choose
terrorism or any form of violence. So there must also
be other conditions that in combination provoke some
people to see terrorism as an effective way of creating
change in their world.

Instead, what more than 95 percent of all suicide terrorist
attacks since 1980 have in common is not religion, but a
specific secular goal: to compel modern democracies to
withdraw military forces from the territory the terrorists
view as their homeland. From Lebanon to Chechnya to Kashmir
to Sri Lanka to the West Bank, every suicide terrorist
campaign since 1980 has had as its main objective to compel
a democratic state to withdraw combat forces from territory
that the terrorists prize."
terrorism.about.com...

Without an army strong enough to defend the population ,
terrorism is the last resort of a desperate people.

Here is the ultimate tyranny: those who resist aggression
are forced to imitate, and perhaps even to exceed, the
brutality of the aggressor.
MICHAEL WALZER, Just and Unjust Wars

Nobody wins a war , only one side loses more than the other .
It's cause and effect . Persecuted , Profiled , Labelled , Condemned .
So the cycle of hate grows within each successive generation .
And the innocent , on both sides , are the victims...

a reply to: radarloveguy

Most of the Paris terrorists were born in France. So religion really is what linked them.

a reply to: radarloveguy

Instead, what more than 95 percent of all suicide terrorist
attacks since 1980 have in common is not religion, but a
specific secular goal: to compel modern democracies to
withdraw military forces from the territory the terrorists
view as their homeland.

Territories divided by religion .

a reply to: radarloveguy

Hi Muslim here.

Through my research into khuaraij (extremist) ideology . i have noted that these groups arise in times of war .

Since the time of Muhammad and after these groups have been around.

Now the cause does have to do with Religion and as you stated social and political injustices .

Here is why.

Catastrophe happens then you have a once normal "ahmed" who was a street thug the night before becomes and overnight scholar and recruits other muslims . he then teaches them his "twisted ideology" by using scripture as a refrence by twisiting it and taking it out of context for what ever agenda he has.

Sort of like west burrow church and other sects.

So to say terrorism is not motivated by religion. I respectfully have to disagree sadly.

I wish it wenrt so but it is.

Ultimately though its mans fault .

a reply to: radarloveguy

You are one of those that hate to admit that religion, all religion hates non-believers. It just happens to be that Islam is 500 years behind some of the other big religions in the world that were moderated to a point where it is ok to openly question the absolute truth of the scriptures they hold semi-sacred.
MOST terrorism is indeed caused by religion. It is the fact that they massacre whole countries to create Lebensraum for their horrificly bloodshedding cult. If others intervene and try to stop them, they resort to terrorism. So yes, terrorrism is caused by religion.
Also, when (not if) they will colonise Europe or the US, it will be by terrorism and bloodshed. All other thinking is stupidity, betrayal, leftist wishful thinking. See Corbyn.

a reply to: radarloveguy

Really? There;s plenty of social injustice in the world. But in the past 10 years...

I haven't seen any Hindus blow up a civilian gathering in Paris, the UK or the US
I haven't seen any Christians blow up a bus in the UK
I haven't seen any Jews blow up a building in Canada or the US

I have seen Muslims do this.

originally posted by: Sheesh
a reply to: radarloveguy

You are one of those that hate to admit that religion, all religion hates non-believers. It just happens to be that Islam is 500 years behind some of the other big religions in the world that were moderated to a point where it is ok to openly question the absolute truth of the scriptures they hold semi-sacred.
MOST terrorism is indeed caused by religion. It is the fact that they massacre whole countries to create Lebensraum for their horrificly bloodshedding cult. If others intervene and try to stop them, they resort to terrorism. So yes, terrorrism is caused by religion.
Also, when (not if) they will colonise Europe or the US, it will be by terrorism and bloodshed. All other thinking is stupidity, betrayal, leftist wishful thinking. See Corbyn.

You must be referencing extremsit because i am certainly not as you discribed. In fact i am certain i am not 500 years behind ?

1.5 billion muslims in the world.

Extremist make up a very small percentage of that.

Believe me i wouldn't suncribe to a religion that you just described.

originally posted by: noonebutme
a reply to: radarloveguy

Really? There;s plenty of social injustice in the world. But in the past 10 years...

I haven't seen any Hindus blow up a civilian gathering in Paris, the UK or the US

English,French and American foreign policy is not invasive in their homelands.

I haven't seen any Christians blow up a bus in the UK

Extremists who happened to be Muslims , see their perceived homeland being invaded by Western democracies .

I haven't seen any Jews blow up a building in Canada or the US

Their homeland is not under siege from Canada or the U.S

I have seen Muslims do this.

Perverted ideology , motivated by perceived political and social injustice ..

a reply to: radarloveguy

Why is it their homeland? They were not born there. Parents were not born there. Religion. Any way you slice it you come back to religion.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: radarloveguy

Why is it their homeland? They were not born there. Parents were not born there. Religion. Any way you slice it you come back to religion.

Failure to integrate , millions of faithful Muslims rightfully condemn their actions.

a reply to: radarloveguy

Oh yes it is. Extremist religion has often used terrorism, not just Islam either. Extreme politics is a motivating factor; extreme anything trying to force it down everyone's throat with violence and terror.

The state can be terrorists, too. If I decide to go out today and do violence as a way of gaining political clout I would be a terrorist, too. I can't be bothered today though. I am feeling too chilled out and content.

Yep. Pretty much.

Terrorism is war and war is terrorism. There is no difference reaally. These proclaimed, self-proclaimed and otherwise, terrorists are fighting a war. The same war we are fighting. They blame our war as the reason for their war and we blame theirs as our reason, eh?

Religion is merely one tool that those who need wars to make profits use to set people against each other. Religion is just a convenient thing for people who don't really get it to blame, someone's brainchild that blew back big time.

S&F dude!

We needed a thread like this.

This is how i explained this to someone, religion is the twisted moral justification not the motivation, if there was no motivation there would be no attacks

originally posted by: noonebutme
a reply to: radarloveguy

Really? There;s plenty of social injustice in the world. But in the past 10 years...

I haven't seen any Hindus blow up a civilian gathering in Paris, the UK or the US
I haven't seen any Christians blow up a bus in the UK
I haven't seen any Jews blow up a building in Canada or the US

I have seen Muslims do this.

Maybe you need to ask how the non-Hindu Indians are being treated.
Christians..religion of peace
Ask the Palestinians about Jewish military raids and rockets. Wait, sorry.."Israeli"

a reply to: radarloveguy



The clash of cultures with the addition of religion is fairly easy to understand...imagine waves of foreigners 'invading' your country, wearing different clothes, carrying guns, shooting innocent people, shattering and breaking whole families? - None of this has happened in a vacuum...waves of immigrants didn't spontaneously decide to 'invade' good christian countries for no reason...the children and the childrens' children suffering from generational PTSD, wrought by the horrors witnessed by the sole surviving member of a family that is no more - blown to blubber by smart bombs dropped by nations professing to follow the ways of a main character whose main slogan is "Do unto others as you would be done by" - has grown up with that nightmare, but can now hold a gun, wear an explosive vest...I want no part of that Sado-Masochism. I wouldn't wish it on anyone...

Å99

This is a map of the Rashuddin Caliphate .... circa 632 A.D

As you can see , it is extensive.
People like Osama Bin Laden and more recently ,
Abu Bakhr al Baghdadi want to reclaim this territory ,
but the legitimacy of this claim is disputed .

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's group the Islamic State of Iraq and
the Levant declared its governmental structure a 'caliphate'
on June 29, 2014 after taking control of large swathes of
territory in Syria (which for a prolonged period of time
comprised over 50% of that country[5][6]) and Iraq.[7]
Nevertheless, it is known by much of the Muslim world
and Muslim scholars to be an illegitimate caliphate within
the basis of Islam.
en.wikipedia.org...

So their justification on religious grounds is flawed .
As is their brutal tactics .
However , any Western interference in these areas is ill advised .
Ergo religion is the scapegoat . (no pun intended)

a reply to: scorpio84

Maybe Palestinians should stop the war they have been waging for 100 years, that they started, that when peace was offered they refused every time.

I forget which it was, was it Israel that rejected peace, or did Palestinians along with other Muslims reject a 2 state solution and invade Israel in 1948?

I think terrorism is a method of war and battle. It is very effective, and it can use any sort of ideology or vision of future, as motivational fuel and emotional inspiration.

It is the best strategy to use for a group which is facing larger numbers, technology, and organization in their enemy.
It uses those things against the enemy. It is guerrilla warfare.

originally posted by: radarloveguy

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: radarloveguy

Why is it their homeland? They were not born there. Parents were not born there. Religion. Any way you slice it you come back to religion.

Failure to integrate , millions of faithful Muslims rightfully condemn their actions.

So it's because of their religion. How do you go on and on about how it's not religion, then claim it's religion. That is the only thing they have in common.

Profound topic RLG. You've got mail.