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originally posted by: anonentity
originally posted by: EveStreet
a reply to: sailormon
I'm glad you made a post about this because I've often returned from what I believe are OBE's (which end in sleep paralysis) and I am COLD. Shivering, to the bone cold. I'm not uncovered, nor is it cold in the room - it's like a cold from the inside out and it takes a while to get warm again.
Because of this, I've wondered about how close we get to "shutting down" when we're in that state. I've never had the vortex thing happen. but maybe the exit for leaving and REALLY leaving are about the same?
Over the years, I've had a few good OOBE's, a couple where its a bit freaky trying to get the body to animate again. I am reaching the conclusions that when we sleep we head for parallel realities , some very similar and meet up with old friends and acquaintances, and some new ones. I don't mean that they exist in any material sense, any more than the day to day reality, exists in any similar real sense. As it too , has all the definitions of a lucid dream as well, its just that we tend to repeat the experience, more often than in the other realities, so it just seems more real, and tend to think of them as passing dreams , but that is what they are not .What makes them OOBES is the degree of presence, When you know that you were there, as sure as you know that you are here. Then when you are there, permanently, you will have forgotten that you were here . Just like most of the time you forget that you were there.
I' m off the mind that, when you are there, you cant stay too long, when it gets interesting, you have to come back, and get the body animated, because if you stay, you wont be needing the body you use for this reality, and you will be there for the duration. Here were talking of an infinite number of takes or interpretations of realities, all real when you are there, but in a sense all simulations, built from your consciousness. So be careful what you wish for and believe in.
I've wondered if it's possible that I died in an alternate or almost exact parallel world with a few minor differences and woke up or traveled upon death in the other reality to this one.
originally posted by: sailormon
a reply to: Nevertheless
I read, say an experiment done regards to DNA responding instantaneously 400 mile apart, that is interesting.
I don't go further into it, I carve a notch into my memory, I don't put it into a computer for reference.
I move things with my mind, then go further away and have my own experiment doing this until I find distance does impact the effect, I put in memory.
I don't care to prove anything
Yes I know what you are referring to and yes if I were in a classical classroom I would be hammering on this as you do, but this is so far out of the classroom
Not true. You can make your claims scientifically sound without providing me complete proof of everything. You could start out by just making a soul or conscience scientifically observable.
we would be stymied in our discussion if I implemented proofs, and doctoral research.
What defies understanding?
Sometime in life, just gather what you can to try and understand that which defies understanding and move on.
To derail a fine discussion with pure logic and proofs is without logic,
Even if we were all crazy here, we are having a good time, loosen up and be crazy with us, join the party.
originally posted by: sailormon
a reply to: Nevertheless
Son, you have a lot to learn, we are not the animal we inhabit, it is but our diving suit into this vibrational state. Somewhere in the past I think I related being taken out by the others. In this event I was shown my light body, it was there as well as my physical body. So there was three of us, my extended consciousness, my body and my light body or soul.
Studies of late are showing our consciousness, our energy is not within our bodies at all, it is above or similar, not within.
originally posted by: sailormon
Thank you for sharing what you experienced. It sounds like we were faced with the same thing, only in my case, it was new to me and I am a fighter on the other side. I don't remember details, but I use a great deal of power to some purpose while there, I call it battles and with whom I don't know, I just know and then come back physically and at a soul level exhausted.
As to fear, I did not have a great fear, I was trying to stay in control, I elongated myself and even blocked being drawn in this way for a time. I am here for a purpose, and that purpose is my wife, also and adept of great power, but one whom needs further waking, more stubborn than I. I call myself egor to her, being her protector.
I had a good man whom is in touch with all this tell me what you have told me about asking for guidance. He even told me there is a number of those attempting to set me free, but my stubbornness gets in the way perhaps.
Actually I started reading Monroe, it is downloaded on my pad.
I did speak of the others taking me as well as my wife out of body. Two times when in great pain and stress I was taken out while meditating. You are right, the power of these two convinced me, I am but a child stomping my foot to think I could prevail. The one was like being with God or similar. I was in a white robe huddled over in great pain and fatigue from the earth journey, yet in an immense plain of un creation, huddled and beaten as I was in life at that time. Yet another part of me was standing beside this great presence which I cannot describe, it was just there, like the universe, but love.
It took me after wrapping my soul in a blue cloth to itself as would a mother take a baby. Damn, I will quit writing at this point, leaving out details, it was life changing such love and caring just blew my mind. The human part of me went into overload, it was incomprehensible. If I were religious I would say I was with God, but being a lone seeker, I have to keep this to myself, it scares Christians if I tell them of it, how can a common man experience such a thing without the church?
Another the next day was was also profound, both of these were from me meditating, not sleep, both from the other side.
All of you, thank you for the input, the title as I go on needs modification perhaps as I learn.
originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: sailormon
Thank-you for replying, Sailormon. This thread you started is indeed fascinating. But the posts from everyone leave me with more questions than answers. I have always assumed that our purpose for being alive on Earth is to HELP OTHERS have a more enjoyable life whenever and wherever possible. Yet from what I'm reading here, perhaps SELF improvement and SELF enlightenment should be our top priority?
originally posted by: sailormon
a reply to: Nevertheless
Back again, welcome again. You do realize you are too late to derail this thread, the folks coming on here according to you are all crazy or similar and we should not converse or share.
I did not read all the prattle you sent this time, having far too much fun cleaning the sailboat for a trip.
However I am pleased I/we gave you something to rave about, it may be good entertainment, making you happy. At least I hope so.
You do realize that this is the second time you tell me "If I were to substantiate my claims, this thread wouldn't exist" - which is exactly my point.
Making point after point as you do, expecting a defense would take this thread so far afield it would cease to exist.
I suspect what you are, but will not go there.
That is fine. I don't think I'd enjoy a beer listening to random claims and get told that the discussion would be pointless if we'd substantiate it as such.
you I do not connect well with, no beer for you my friend.