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My generation didn't do the green thing.
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The amount of Viagra it took to fuel this geriatric circle jerk could fill the Grand Canyon.
The older generation was terrible from an environmental standpoint and we still are today. Look at all these horrible consumers on their newfangled devices typing away about how frustrating consumerism is.
I agree about the smugness, but it's hard to take seriously when someone is so smugly bringing it up. And the cycle repeats.
Get off my lawn and Internet.
The older generation was terrible from an environmental standpoint and we still are today. Look at all these horrible consumers on their newfangled devices typing away about how frustrating consumerism is.
I agree about the smugness, but it's hard to take seriously when someone is so smugly bringing it up. And the cycle repeats.
Get off my lawn and Internet.
a reply to: Greathouse
You do realize it was the same generation that created all of the energy draining objects don't you? You do realize that any electrical item built even 20 years ago uses waaaay more energy than the products built today. Look at cars and gas mileage, look at refridgerators, dryers, T.V.'s, etc. It wasn't this generation that f'd it all up, it goes back over 100 years. But great email blaming everything on everyone else instead of taking responsibility. I guarantee the person that wrote that doesn't do everything by hand and mule anymore, but likley has a radio that uses more energy than several modern televisions.
You do realize it was the same generation that created all of the energy draining objects don't you? You do realize that any electrical item built even 20 years ago uses waaaay more energy than the products built today. Look at cars and gas mileage, look at refridgerators, dryers, T.V.'s, etc. It wasn't this generation that f'd it all up, it goes back over 100 years. But great email blaming everything on everyone else instead of taking responsibility. I guarantee the person that wrote that doesn't do everything by hand and mule anymore, but likley has a radio that uses more energy than several modern televisions.
originally posted by: Skid Mark
I went to a landfill once because I had to help clear a building out for a job. I was amazed at all the junk there. People need to go to one just to see how bad it is because of our throw away society. In the old days, if something broke most people would fix it; rather than throwing it away.
interesting enough this is only really true in the rich, developed nations. here in a poor, developing nation people dig through landfills taking anything they might sell to a junk shop (in one case hundreds died in an avalanche, no one knows how many since they didn't recover most of the bodies). heck it's not long after someone takes garbage out to the road before someone goes through it (that is if they are not there waiting). even recycling is different. i don't take my recyclables to the curb, people come around and BUY IT, they even compete with each other on prices a bit. people take old destroyed clothing and other fabrics and make hot pads and floor mats from it. plastic bottles are used all over as plant pots, even as decorations. ever seen an umbrella repairman? i have carrying the parts and tools to repair them. TV's and other electronics get repaired. i have seen the model of cellphone i had in the mid 90's in use. even many homes are built with reclaimed trash. yet even here the rich like those people in rich countries follow "if broken, replace", "if a newer model comes out replace" (although in a lot of cases the old model is given to someone or sold). yet there is a lot of plastics that end up in the oceans. some thrown into rivers or tossed aside on the streets (garbage cans are few and far between). this combined with things that are valued get washed out during floods and storms to pollute the ocean. so even though they are still like the old person in the story they still contribute to the pollution of plastics in the ocean. the big problem is the plastic it's self, being light and buoyant as well as long lasting.
originally posted by: Domo1
The amount of Viagra it took to fuel this geriatric circle jerk could fill the Grand Canyon.
The older generation was terrible from an environmental standpoint and we still are today. Look at all these horrible consumers on their newfangled devices typing away about how frustrating consumerism is.
I agree about the smugness, but it's hard to take seriously when someone is so smugly bringing it up. And the cycle repeats.
Get off my lawn and Internet.
LOL, there was an article a few days ago in my local newspaper blaming nearly all problems on the millenial generation, I'm not part of that generation, but I couldn't help but laugh. The writer (judging by his picture) was clearly in his 60's, and was upset on how the children don't know anything about technology or math compared to the rest of the world, thus the reason why less jobs are here and get shipped over seas in the tech area. He also went on to proclaim that if this generation doesn't wake up and get jobs that he will not get his social seurity and medicare when he is retired. I was nearly disgusted with it but also laughing at the same time. Sure people born in the 90's-00's have less jobs, but look at what his generation caused for the rest of us, and yet he blames the ones born in to the mess to fix the world for him so he can have his Viagra and spread Herpes among his nursing home on his shuffle board orgy stint.
a reply to: iDope
Yep I do realize all of that. You just don't realize that it still going on. The mechanism's of pollution have just changed some. You're trying to do something about it now. We were trying to do something about it back in our day and many of us still are. Basically you don't need to remind us we already know.
That was the intent of the letter as I saw it.
Yep I do realize all of that. You just don't realize that it still going on. The mechanism's of pollution have just changed some. You're trying to do something about it now. We were trying to do something about it back in our day and many of us still are. Basically you don't need to remind us we already know.
That was the intent of the letter as I saw it.
a reply to: Greathouse
Back in the day they wreen't trying to prevent anything or else they would have never used gas guzzling cars and innefficient electical appliances, they just had more of it to use which was a main reason why it was so cheap to supply it. "Back in the day" they should have not allowed plastics to be produced or over consuption to take place or deforestaion to spread like disease across the world without even replanting what they took. Now we are left cleaning it up and yet it is "our" voice that pisses these geezers off? How many of them live like they did in the 40's still? Noone and it is not forced, it is adopted. So the young people that are blamed for being green have never been around a generation that is green, which is why the ovement is actually vocal and not innate, in comparison, no generation has been green in such a way as they are now unless you go back to before fossil fuels, and that wasn't their choice. But yet, major coorporations still overproduce and package within package things and these werent companies started since I was alive, they are doing things on the cheap and selling cheap because this was the world created and adopted over time.
Back in the day they wreen't trying to prevent anything or else they would have never used gas guzzling cars and innefficient electical appliances, they just had more of it to use which was a main reason why it was so cheap to supply it. "Back in the day" they should have not allowed plastics to be produced or over consuption to take place or deforestaion to spread like disease across the world without even replanting what they took. Now we are left cleaning it up and yet it is "our" voice that pisses these geezers off? How many of them live like they did in the 40's still? Noone and it is not forced, it is adopted. So the young people that are blamed for being green have never been around a generation that is green, which is why the ovement is actually vocal and not innate, in comparison, no generation has been green in such a way as they are now unless you go back to before fossil fuels, and that wasn't their choice. But yet, major coorporations still overproduce and package within package things and these werent companies started since I was alive, they are doing things on the cheap and selling cheap because this was the world created and adopted over time.
a reply to: iDope
We started cleaning the stuff up in the 70s without all the whining and crying and bitching too .
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We started cleaning the stuff up in the 70s without all the whining and crying and bitching too .
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I can't help but chuckle at people arguing about who's greener than who on the internet--technology that would be impossible without the ubiquitous
industrial infrastructure (and economic coercion) all generations living today have contributed heavily to the development and perpetuation
thereof.
In other words, unless you're prepared to re-wild yourself and shun modernity in totality...
...you're not "green". Any of you... myself included. So let's all just stop pointing fingers, hm? We're all guilty as long as we continue to participate in "all this".
In other words, unless you're prepared to re-wild yourself and shun modernity in totality...
...you're not "green". Any of you... myself included. So let's all just stop pointing fingers, hm? We're all guilty as long as we continue to participate in "all this".
a reply to: Greathouse
So since the 70's there has been less pollution? A cleaner environment than the 60's, or was that just a phase that died when Zeppelin lost Bonnham?
So since the 70's there has been less pollution? A cleaner environment than the 60's, or was that just a phase that died when Zeppelin lost Bonnham?
a reply to: Greathouse
That's not the 70s I remember.
www.google.com...
We started cleaning the stuff up in the 70s without all the whining and crying and bitching too .
That's not the 70s I remember.
www.google.com...
a reply to: Greathouse
Yes. They don't know how to do it right no more *cough*occupy*cough*
You got admit Phage their is a big difference between protesting and nagging.
a reply to: iDope
If you're trying to annoying me with useless jabber you're succeeding. I agree the 70s were just as dirty but we were doing things about it then.
Any of these accusations you continually throwback I'm going to agree with in all probability. The fact of the matter is we were doing something. We already know many of us really care just like you.
If you're trying to annoying me with useless jabber you're succeeding. I agree the 70s were just as dirty but we were doing things about it then.
Any of these accusations you continually throwback I'm going to agree with in all probability. The fact of the matter is we were doing something. We already know many of us really care just like you.
a reply to: Phage
Well you don't see many protest like those anymore. Those protest stopped a war, progressed civil rights, brought more attention to native Americans plight and help get funding passed like the Superfund.
This online protest has not produce the same results. I've told many that are passionate about their beliefs to go back to the 60's and 70's in the movements if they want to get something done.
100,000 people online does not have the same affect as 100,000 people walking To the Pentagon or Capitol.
Well you don't see many protest like those anymore. Those protest stopped a war, progressed civil rights, brought more attention to native Americans plight and help get funding passed like the Superfund.
This online protest has not produce the same results. I've told many that are passionate about their beliefs to go back to the 60's and 70's in the movements if they want to get something done.
100,000 people online does not have the same affect as 100,000 people walking To the Pentagon or Capitol.
a reply to: Greathouse
Connection?
I agree.
Well you don't see many protest like those anymore. Those protest stopped a war, progressed civil rights, brought more attention to native Americans plight and help get funding passed like the Superfund.
And to hear some of the best music ever created.
've told many that are passionate about their beliefs to go back to the 60's and 70's in the movements if they want to get something done.
Connection?
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a reply to: gort51
Absolutely spot on with the pollution & littering back in the day
My mother likes to remind me that back when she was a kid in the 50's & 60's, the Great Lakes were so polluted that she knew no one willing to swim in them. And the reminders of lead paint, trash just tossed where ever, etc. The Old Folks weren't exactly pinnacles of environmentally-inclined, for sure.
They did have some really good day to day practices for reusing & recycling that are either coming back, or have been back for some time now. Cloth diapers may be coming back today, but for years, they were seldom used past the disposables' introduction. We used them for own kids, good ol' tried & true tri-folds & covers. I even hand-washed & line-dried those poop catchers for a time while we were saving up for a washer (anyone remember what THAT does to hands after a few days?) Hand-me-downs are coming back, thrift stores are coming back, that old common sense "use it til it falls apart/doesn't fit" reasoning is being heeded again. Now if we could just bring back the "eat within reason" and "don't waste food" mindsets.
Absolutely spot on with the pollution & littering back in the day
My mother likes to remind me that back when she was a kid in the 50's & 60's, the Great Lakes were so polluted that she knew no one willing to swim in them. And the reminders of lead paint, trash just tossed where ever, etc. The Old Folks weren't exactly pinnacles of environmentally-inclined, for sure.
They did have some really good day to day practices for reusing & recycling that are either coming back, or have been back for some time now. Cloth diapers may be coming back today, but for years, they were seldom used past the disposables' introduction. We used them for own kids, good ol' tried & true tri-folds & covers. I even hand-washed & line-dried those poop catchers for a time while we were saving up for a washer (anyone remember what THAT does to hands after a few days?) Hand-me-downs are coming back, thrift stores are coming back, that old common sense "use it til it falls apart/doesn't fit" reasoning is being heeded again. Now if we could just bring back the "eat within reason" and "don't waste food" mindsets.
a reply to: Greathouse
I'm just going to say this... my 1154 hp golf mk2 uses less fuel, and burns cleaner than your 1964 bonneville... oh and it's a four cylinder.
I'm just going to say this... my 1154 hp golf mk2 uses less fuel, and burns cleaner than your 1964 bonneville... oh and it's a four cylinder.
In the 80's, I thought things would be better once the older generations died out. Well, it turns out that power hungry and callus
businesspeople/politicians aren't generationally specific. Public apathy isn't either.
It's going to take something cleverer than old folks' homes to solve the ancient problem of few enslaving many. Trashing the planet seems to be a byproduct of this greed; whatever it takes. However, sometimes it seems to me that the power hungry get off on it.
It's going to take something cleverer than old folks' homes to solve the ancient problem of few enslaving many. Trashing the planet seems to be a byproduct of this greed; whatever it takes. However, sometimes it seems to me that the power hungry get off on it.