Whats in our Skies? Biocides?

I wanted to bring something to attention that I have not had lots of time to study or look into however it has caused some concern in my mind and wanted to share it with the community here.

Having the concern for how fast cancer is effecting the population as it is doing, makes me often wonder what could be causing this sudden rise in cases. I basically pointed my finger at air pollution and planes. I wondered about jet/plane fuel and what it has in it. So I looked it up and found, an interesting area called biocides. Had to use wikipedia for the meantime, en.wikipedia.org... Further down you will find additives, one is listing biocides.

A quick read about what biocide is, its

'are to remediate microbial (i.e., bacterial and fungal) growth present in aircraft fuel systems. Currently, two biocides are approved for use by most aircraft and turbine engine original equipment manufacturers (OEMs); Kathon FP1.5 Microbiocide and Biobor JF'.

Approved for use does not make it safe, as having read more into biocides here is a safety guideline for using biocides

Many biocides products contain chemicals, formaldehyde being just one example and there are other ingredients which can cause skin disorders, respiratory problems and various types of cancer.

www.workplacesafetyadvice.co.uk...

This causes quite a lot of concern in my mind, what do you think?

I may be barking up the wrong tree and maybe someone here will tell me its safe and hopefully so but these additives seem very blurry with their regulations.

a reply to: BlackProject

To reply to myself I wanted to add this extract I found also.

In 1980, laboratory studies showed that exposure to formaldehyde could cause nasal cancer in rats. This finding raised the question of whether formaldehyde exposure could also cause cancer in humans. In 1987, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) classified formaldehyde as a probable human carcinogen under conditions of unusually high or prolonged exposure

www.cancer.gov...

a reply to: BlackProject

I know enough to know something is up, and I am not sure what. I just know persistant con trails seem to be even more persistent than I recalled as a young kid, especially a young kid who looked up a lot.

I have no doubt in my mind that they are up to something, what exactly I am not sure.
I do believe there is something more at play than just Biocides, this is the first time however I have heard of Biocides though. Interesting to ponder .

I also am waiting for the Fukushima 7 year mark when a lot of cancers should start to emerge from that incident.

a reply to: enament

Thanks for the reply. You can see that more and more people prefer to travel via planes, so I can see myself the planes have doubled pretty much every few years with their journeys in our skies. With that being said, I am sure myself that there is many other chemicals that are being emptied onto our heads daily. Sad to even write that myself.

With that being said, another article came to mind regarding this.

The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.
A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

www.theguardian.com...

This added with my above statement, certainly puts current problems into context.

a reply to: BlackProject

I may be barking up the wrong tree and maybe someone here will tell me its safe and hopefully so but these additives seem very blurry with their regulations.

There are only two biocides currently used in jet fuel...

And you can find more about them here...

www.biobor.com...

and here...

www.fuelcare.com...

It may help answer your questions.

originally posted by: BlackProject
I wanted to bring something to attention that I have not had lots of time to study or look into however it has caused some concern in my mind and wanted to share it with the community here.

Having the concern for how fast cancer is effecting the population as it is doing, makes me often wonder what could be causing this sudden rise in cases. I basically pointed my finger at air pollution and planes. I wondered about jet/plane fuel and what it has in it. So I looked it up and found, an interesting area called biocides. Had to use wikipedia for the meantime, en.wikipedia.org... Further down you will find additives, one is listing biocides.

A quick read about what biocide is, its

'are to remediate microbial (i.e., bacterial and fungal) growth present in aircraft fuel systems. Currently, two biocides are approved for use by most aircraft and turbine engine original equipment manufacturers (OEMs); Kathon FP1.5 Microbiocide and Biobor JF'.

Approved for use does not make it safe, as having read more into biocides here is a safety guideline for using biocides

Many biocides products contain chemicals, formaldehyde being just one example and there are other ingredients which can cause skin disorders, respiratory problems and various types of cancer.

www.workplacesafetyadvice.co.uk...

This causes quite a lot of concern in my mind, what do you think?

I may be barking up the wrong tree and maybe someone here will tell me its safe and hopefully so but these additives seem very blurry with their regulations.

You will have a long ways to go. Biocides are only one part AKA a singular purpose, any additives are there for a purpose, some are listed as proprietary. On the ground aircraft fuel is nasty stuff, on the ground they are mostly tested for efficiency. In the air, and through the engine, not so much is known but there is chemistry going on through all the stages making something novel when it's exhausted. But, if you don't know exactly what goes in, you cannot know what comes out, never mind what the combined results are, or their effects, while some effects have been noticed.

a reply to: BlackProject

This added with my above statement, certainly puts current problems into context.

So because they did tests during the cold war to understand how a biological attack would act somehow ties into something must be getting sprayed now?

Is that what your alluding to?

a reply to: BlackProject

There is a lot of unusual elements found in rain water these days, one of which is aluminium, which occurs nowhere in nature naturally. Unless lightening struck a deposit of bauxite, bauxite is the element from which aluminum is made.

I would like to know in fine detail the exact contents of standard and non-standard jet aviation fuels.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

No, this was me pointing out that maybe due to such tests those tests could already have effected our families in our past and passed those destructive genes onto younger generations. This is completely separate from what I wanted to point out with my topic but they both go hand in hand for the sake of our health then and now.

a reply to: enament

There is a lot of unusual elements found in rain water these days, one of which is aluminium, which occurs nowhere in nature naturally.

A very ignorant statement.
According the chart in the book linked below, the percentage of aluminum oxide in California soils ranged from 1.63 to 32.42. That translates to between 16,300 and 324,200 mg/kg. Samples from various locations in North America ranged from 3.26% to 14.16% (32,600 to 141,600 mg/kg). Oh, I should point out that these tests were done prior to 1920. Before jets. Before “chemtrails”.

A chart in that book shows that the smaller the soil particles are, the higher the percentage of aluminum they contain. What does that have to do with anything? Dust. Dust blowing in the wind. The finer the dust, the more aluminum.
Soil Science

a reply to: enament

There is a lot of unusual elements found in rain water these days, one of which is aluminium, which occurs nowhere in nature naturally.

And yet aluminum makes up 8% of the Earths crust, so why wouldn't you find it in rainwater?

Aluminum: It's not just found in the refrigerator wrapped around week-old leftovers. This element is the second-most abundant metallic element in Earth's crust after silicon.

www.livescience.com...

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

I would like to respond that if it was done in the past what is stopping them from doing it now, who could prove it. The only reason we know it was done in the past was whistle blowers and declassified documents.

We only know what they allow us to know.

a reply to: BlackProject

No, this was me pointing out that maybe due to such tests those tests could already have effected our families in our past and passed those destructive genes onto younger generations.

What genes are you referring to?

So because they did tests during the cold war to understand how a biological attack would act somehow ties into something must be getting sprayed now? Is that what your alluding to?

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

They actually did a illegal act of poising the public at the time, It was not "to understand how a biological attack would act"
It was a test to see how effectively the could kill people.
What in the world makes you think they are not doing it now? This is a great read and S&F to the OP for presenting this issue up front and center!

Regards, Iwinder

a reply to: enament

I would like to know in fine detail the exact contents of standard and non-standard jet aviation fuels

Try this...

www.google.com...=ingredients+in+jet+fuel

a reply to: Iwinder

It was a test to see how effectively the could kill people.

If that's the case, it didn't work very well, did it?

a reply to: Iwinder

The actually did a illegal act of poising the public at the time, It was not "to understand how a biological attack would act"
It was a test to see how effectively the could kill people.

And you can back that claim correct?

What in the world makes you think they are not doing it now?

And what makes you think they are doing it today?

a reply to: enament

would like to respond that if it was done in the past what is stopping them from doing it now, who could prove it.

www.law.cornell.edu...

a reply to: enament

The only reason we know it was done in the past was whistle blowers and declassified documents.

You do understand the reason for those tests, and what was used during those tests...because it wasn't a health risk to anyone.

www.nytimes.com...

a reply to: Phage

What type of aluminum are you referring to and in what state. I refer to aluminum as the metal.

Read the first paragraph, and understand ----> education.jlab.org...

If you can dish it out you should be able to take it too Phage.